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mquirk1
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 09:23
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the only person talking any kind of sense in this thread is detox. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 12:22
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On 2005-07-27 03:39, DETOX wrote:
A handmade PC consisted of wood,powered by solar energy and with a self programmed operating system named Kakoo 2005 Professional Edition?
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Hehehe of course not, but I don't like at all the way you put everybody in the same bag.. This is indeed a rough business attitude..
Yes I am using a PC but will change it to an apple as soon as possible, but my pc isn't running 24/7 and you seem to forget that despites all the problems occured by computer technologies it is thanks to those same computers that some researchers are able to determinate exactly what is going wrong on this earth and constantly ring the alarm.. But what if no politician is able to listen to them or just don't want to.. ?
You are using those same f*****ng short cuts that some people I have always fought are using..
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On 2005-07-27 01:24, DETOX wrote:
look around your house,you will see your Nokia phone charging,your PC with Microsoft programmes being connected to the internet,the ash tray full of ashes from Marlboro that you smoke and your small refrigerator full of coca cola and nestle sweets,i dont think that advertisment in psy parties is responsible for that.They make your life easier and sometimes better that why you trust and buy from these corporations,our modern life is such that we cant live without those corporations,we all just have to face that,what we can only do is ask them to respect the nature,the people and their customers when they produce and they deliver their goods,nothing more nothing less.If you think that coca cola or marlboro will ever close then sorry but wake up cause you are dreaming.
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My phone is a 3 years old NEC, made in UK (!!), with still monochrome screen because i really don't give a f**k having a camera or I dunno what else in my phone, my phone is aimed at phoning and basta.. The day you'll come to my house and you'll open my fridge i can assure you you won't find any single coca-cola can.. you'll find home made sirup, DETOX, loads of alsacian (my region) beer, and some Rosé wine, and you won't find any single Nestlé sweet, DETOX, because there are thousands other much better, simply better in taste, flavour than Nestlé.. You see ? It's even not a sign of resistance of whatever, it's just that Nestlé products are not so good...
You mention also Mac Donalds !! Same goes : I do NEVER, read well, NEVER go to Mac Donalds, and again not as a sign of resistance or to proove any spirituality but simply because the food there is expensive and simply SUCKS ! If I really want an hamburger, guess what ? I will cook one myself ! Junk food and all these bullshits are a trick, DETOX.. faster, stronger, better ?? My ass, sometimes there are so many people in queue at a Mac Donald that you would win twice the time preparing a monstruous sandwiche with real butter, bayonne lamb, real salad, feta and kicking ass baguette ! And it would be heavily cheaper and so much more full of taste !
Refusing all these things you are mentionning DETOX doesn't mean you are an hippie, an anarchopunk or an ermit !! I am a boy living on my times, sometimes fashion victim too, but again, when I go partying it is definitaly to ESCAPE all the crap that is surrounding, overhelming us during the week !
And by escape I don't even mean "entering a state of traiiiiince" or whatever but just having fun, giving and receiving smiles, teasing the girl besides me without she has to wonder if i have good or bad intentions, butting the ass of a good friend and then running away, in two words : having FUN !
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On 2005-07-27 01:24, DETOX wrote:
Or do you think that you will book more than 50 air tickets and that you will pay for them after the festival?Can you imagine that 50 air tickets from all around the world cost around 20.000 euros? |
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And once again, speaking as a party-goer, I really don't need having line-ups with +50 artists as anyways I won't be able to see all of them during the festival, give me the third of it, and it's still a lot, but choose them smartly, build coherent line-ups showing all what makes the riches of this scene, cut the soundsystem for a while in the daytime or strongly reduce it and just leave a good chill out CD spinning : you will already make a few saves of money..
Quality over quantity, definitaly !
The thing is that it's more difficult to reach quality than quantity, hein, Detox ? With big money you can have the quantity so easily.. But with big money you won't have inevitably quality, because quality asks for more than only futile banknotes..
Good friend of mine used to say : Style is the only thing you can't buy.. You have it or not..
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 12:59
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Funnily enough the hippie movement of the 60's spawned some of the biggest conglomerats in the world today. Microsoft, Apple, Xerox and more. We are no different.
A bit offtopic but something i had to add.
And also, as a person who comes from one of the former Republics of USSR i want to mention that i prefer the worse Capitalism over the best Communism. And in my view the hippie movement resembles Communism a lot.
My 3 cents.
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 13:36
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i follow this whole disscusion since some time..and its very interesting...
in my point of view..Detox is the only one who see the things how they are...
Most of the others here have a very idealistic way of thinking, what isnt bad...but its just no more posible in our days...Plur is really gone...even if you own a old mobile...you own one..doesnt change nothing..
we are all slaves of the society...the only way to break otu of it..is go to live on a island somewhere...without electricty no civilzation.."the beach" style...
but as long as you live here...and use computer...read newspaper..etc...then it's just stupid to make act as big plurish hippie
to the topic i can say..yes sponsors are absolutley ok...you wanna have big soundsystems, huuge line ups, nice deco...so i'm glad some big companies helping with their money to let those huge festivals happen...
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:04
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On 2005-07-27 13:36, Rumble Pack wrote:
in my point of view..Detox is the only one who see the things how they are... |
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He does, yes, for sure, in the direction he has chosen to follow..
But he has to understand that not everybody want to follow this same direction.. After all what can one derive from organizing such over-big highly sponsored events in if not the satisfaction of being able to say "yeah man, I've made it.." or reaching a kinda state of fame, impress people..
He has chosen it and yalla Detox, do you best but in the end we'll all end up six feet under so this is my opinion a waste of a lot energy for finally a few only..
This scene doesn't breath serenity is you ask me, instead of sponsoring why don't the promoters work together, joining their forces and finances to provide the best festival as possible ?
You are again going to tell me it's a naive point of view but again I won't agree with that !
I think I am pointing the finger here where it hurts.. Just look at the Transit/Omni festivals bullshits that happened on this forum, as an example.. One can consider my point of view as naive or idyllic but if people were thinking more about sharing than their own navel one could, i am sure of it, make so many exciting things and it would be easily possible..
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:15
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On 2005-07-27 14:04, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
But he has to understand that not everybody want to follow this same direction.. After all what can one derive from organizing such over-big highly sponsored events in if not the satisfaction of being able to say "yeah man, I've made it.." or reaching a kinda state of fame, impress people..
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why cant you imagine, that the motivation for a big festival is not the own ego.?..it is the pleasure to organize such an event, because big partys can be very nice..just as simple as that..do you think Detox spend money for a party, to have a bigger ego after?'...i dont think so
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On 2005-07-27 14:04, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
This scene doesn't breath serenity is you ask me, instead of sponsoring why don't the promoters work together, joining their forces and finances to provide the best festival as possible ?
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i dont know how you imagine this...you mean some organizers put all THEIR money together, spend it for a party that idealistic ppl like you can come and profit?...who does soemthing like this??only to feel super PLUR after?...from PLUR you cant eat, pay a house,etc...we are living in damn capitalistic society...nothing changes this...you can only change your place of living and, as i said befor, live alone on a islnad...but aslong as you live in our "civilisation", what want you to do..its the rules here...money rules the world...if you dont like..you are free to live your live allone somewhere far away..
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:29
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On 2005-07-27 14:15, Rumble Pack wrote:
do you think Detox spend money for a party, to have a bigger ego after?'...i dont think so
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I have been a little bit rough indeed here but more to tease him and i have no doubt detox won't take it as a personal attack, Rumble Pack..
this discussion is interesting i think and respectful..
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On 2005-07-27 14:15, Rumble Pack wrote:
who does soemthing like this??only to feel super PLUR after?...from PLUR you cant eat, pay a house,etc...we are living in damn capitalistic society...
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It is f****ing amazing how some of you can consider the people in only two possible ways... Plurers and non-Plurers.. Hey come on rumble pack, i don't see what is plury in my lines about organisers..
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On 2005-07-27 14:15, Rumble Pack wrote:
you can only change your place of living and, as i said befor, live alone on a islnad...but aslong as you live in our "civilisation", what want you to do..its the rules here...money rules the world...if you dont like..you are free to live your live allone somewhere far away..
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Money rules the world.. great.. does this inevitably mean everybody has to live in the aim of gulping down its neighbour ?
And most of all is that definitaly a plur-hippie-boom-baba question i am asking here ?
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:32
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R.I.P. psychedelic trance scene.
You need one day in Isratrance to realise this.
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No but he did it to have more money not just to make a cool party and have fun.The dude is a very rich one and you know,people with money...love money.
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Err...so what about party animals and psy scene-related sponsors?Their money are not enough?
Oh oh i see.You are one of these people who want a F*CKIN KILLARGGHH soundsystem,a HUGEEE line-up but dont really care about the QUALITY of the music.And who cares about the deco anyway.Go find a magical forest location where you dont need to add any deco,its natural.
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:37
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allright..hehe..i see, if i continue here, i'll write, instead of working this afternoon...but i still need to repleay shortly..
first off all, why do you think I consider ppl only in plur and non plur..dont know where you read this...i only wrote, for those reasons like you said: no sponsors, working all together, try being non capitalic etc...why the hell someone should spend all his money for that?..what does it helps you if you do something non capitalistic, when you have no more money after? Why spend your own money for other ppl, who dont care anway how it was 10 years ago?? why??? so it's just logic to get a sponsor, if you dont wana pay for the rest of your live money to ppl, because you made once a "plurish" party...
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where did i say that I want those kind of parties?? i cant remeber... its just how it devloped...more ppl, more and bigger partys...nothing bad about it...go and read comments on last Boom festival, how all the plurish ppl complain about the bad sound system..
and sorry..."scene related sponsors"...hehe..never heard of it...it's the batic towel company or who???..again, a sponsor who pays 500 bucks doesnt helps nothing for a big event..you need alot money..so who else will gona pay this then big companys..isnt this logic??.. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:37
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:44
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On 2005-07-27 14:37, Rumble Pack wrote:
first off all, why do you think I consider ppl only in plur and non plur..dont know where you read this... |
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I read this when you write :
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you mean some organizers put all THEIR money together, spend it for a party that idealistic ppl like you can come and profit?...who does soemthing like this??only to feel super PLUR after |
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First of all I didn't speak about putting all ones money into the thing.. And then because I absolutely don't understand what is basically PLUR in working together.. "L'Union fait la Force" do i need to translate ? And this famous sentence is everything but hippie-related..
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:46
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On 2005-07-27 14:37, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Erevos please don't come with personal issues like this about Detox.. If you don't mind editing your post please do.
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Oh no no,its nothing close to personal,thats a fact.
Go to http://www.fullonline.net/archives/2005/07/detox_-_exposur.html
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 14:47
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On 2005-07-27 14:37, Rumble Pack wrote:
and sorry..."scene related sponsors"...hehe..never heard of it...
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hey,thats obvious =] |
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rumble pack / motion drive
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:11
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On 2005-07-27 14:47, Erevos wrote:
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On 2005-07-27 14:37, Rumble Pack wrote:
and sorry..."scene related sponsors"...hehe..never heard of it...
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hey,thats obvious =]
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so..let me know...i'm very curious what companys you'll gona mention |
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 15:20
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so..let me know...i'm very curious what companys you'll gona mention
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Of course you are.
Well,your local dj store,psychedelic clothing shop,your local trance bar and stuff like this.
Its still promotion,but acceptable.
And now im gonna bring the example of SDF2002?
Have you been there? |
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