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sponsors like CocaCola in Private Party? What?

kriz
Horrordelic Records

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:04
not everyone uses M$ products and not a lot )psy freaks) support them with any money what so ever..

(Im a long time Amiga user and I have never paid any money to them, also you have to remember that Microsoft gives away a lot of money to humanitary organisations...)

They have a lot of programmers in india true, but child workers programming software ? Hmmmm

You can also use linux,mac,unix style like bsd and alot of other operating system on your computer...

And supporting a company by giving them space to advertise so that many thousand people see it is a completely different thing than buying a copy of Windows or an xbox....

What do you think?
           3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:04
reminds me of that woman who sold her forehead (or was it her cleavage?) for a corporate logo...

          ..it's just another party..
kriz
Horrordelic Records

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:06
hehe by they way, do Microsoft want to advertise at psytrance festivals now?
           3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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plazma music
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:11
always coca cola...
groovypato
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:32
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On 2005-07-26 23:56, DiMiTry wrote:
yes, EVEN the dj's and artists have to pay to go. and the people who bring the sound and the art, and the massage tables, and the fountains of fire they put in the middle of the desert, and the people who build saunas and waterslides where there is no water, and ALL of us have to pay to make it happen. And guess what? We all do - we all make it happen. Get it? It's not a consumer event. It's an event for the people by the people, and the money goes to support the infrastructure, pay the land fees and permits, and give grants to the biggest art projects like the Temple etc. It brings the essence of the artist to one thing - making music, not making money. And a lot of people hold fundraisers, figure out ways to help bring their favorite artists to Burning Man to play. It's a different mentality, and it's hard to understand until you've experienced it yourself.

and it costs about $200 for a week, btw. not that much more, if you consider most 2 day festivals in the US charge between $35 and $100.



have u ever experienced it ?
A big party where even dj´s pay for it, and where the people who bring the sound or the art or even the waterslides, do it for free?

Another thing:
" It brings the essence of the artist to one thing - making music, not making money."
Man, it´s bullshit. To produce music, you need to spend a lot of your precious time, you need to have equipments (which are pretty much expensive). Man, it´s a job. They have to make money, they have to make a living, unless they do it just for fun.

Maybe I got u wrong dude, but if i did it right, then i think u´re a living in some other world, not the one i live.
(remember, nothing personal, it´s just my opinion, the same way you gave yours).

Peace!
groovypato
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:41
Anyway, I agree with Baphomet Engine.
Not because coke was the fckin sponsor, but because they´ve been fooled by the org. If the org said it would be a private small party, so they knew baphomet would play for free, and the party wasn´t actually private and had profitable endings, then baphomet shouldn´t play for free at all. Even more, they really shouldn´t play, even if the org offered money, because the org lied to them.
Simple as that, IMO.
I actually don´t really care if the sponsor is coke or armani. When i go to parties i hope to find good structure, good friends, good music. That´s all!

Peace!

DETOX
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 00:55
Just like Handa and i have said many times people complain about coca cola and multinational corporations but 99% of this forum drinks coca cola,smokes marlboro,uses Microsoft software and hardware,eats at Macdonalds,has Nestle products for breakfast,gets drunk with Heineken,uses a Nokia mobile phone everyday and stuff like that.

So i will repeat my self,its ok to use these products but its not ok to have them as sponsors to an event?Sorry but this is funny to say the least.

Concerning someone who was disgusted by seeing people from Camel giving away cigarretes at Samothraki Festival before couple of years,have you ever thought that if it wasnt for Camel this festival would never have taken place?

If half of you that come in here and blame multinational corporations for all the bads of this world DIDNT USE THEIR PRODUCTS then these corporations wouldnt exist today.

Preaching is easy but practising what you preach is a totally different story....           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
kriz
Horrordelic Records

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 01:08
Haha so you say Camel is the reason Samothraki Festival Exist(ed) and maybe the Sola Luna as well ??

As i asked before , but none of you answered:
"supporting a company by giving them space to advertise so that many thousand people see it is a completely different thing than buying a copy of Windows or an xbox?"

What do you think? btw. i dont 99% of psytrance freaks does all that ..            3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 01:24
I am not saying Kriz,i know.And i know because i have worked with both the Sola Luna and the Samothraki Organisers which were more or less the same people,i have worked with all of them anyway and i know how difficult it is to set up such a big festival.

Without a big sponsor it would be impossible to pay in advance half the money that most artists demand,set up big structures for the stage,rent a soundsystem,pay all the flight tickets,rent hotels,pay decorations and many many more things.
What do you think that you just say to the sound providers that you want half a million euros worth equipment sent to Samothraki and that you will pay them the rental fee after the festival finishes and they will make a deal with you?Or do you think that you will book more than 50 air tickets and that you will pay for them after the festival?Can you imagine that 50 air tickets from all around the world cost around 20.000 euros?Without a big sponsor paying this money is just impossible.

And to answer your last question,when you provide a big company space for advertisment in exchange of money for your event then the company supports you and not you the company,you help them much less than they help you trust me.

And to end this story Kriz,look around your house,you will see your Nokia phone charging,your PC with Microsoft programmes being connected to the internet,the ash tray full of ashes from Marlboro that you smoke and your small refrigerator full of coca cola and nestle sweets,i dont think that advertisment in psy parties is responsible for that.They make your life easier and sometimes better that why you trust and buy from these corporations,our modern life is such that we cant live without those corporations,we all just have to face that,what we can only do is ask them to respect the nature,the people and their customers when they produce and they deliver their goods,nothing more nothing less.If you think that coca cola or marlboro will ever close then sorry but wake up cause you are dreaming.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
raj


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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 02:23
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And to answer your last question,when you provide a big company space for advertisment in exchange of money for your event then the company supports you and not you the company,you help them much less than they help you trust me.



think he's right here.. n if its not the case then tell them to get lost man.. u r the one who has to choose them.. not them choosin u... i personally saw this problem in my college fest where a mobile fone sponsors convered evplace with their banners.. was kinda painful.. but it was bad dealing on the part of the organisers (students of my college).. handle them better.. get what u want outta them.. its ur choice.. but i dont think ne1 needs to be so extreme so as to curse even a small presence.. be a lil more moderate plz..
n as for india, i'm from india.. n believe me, india has a lot more killers of our society then coca cola.. drugs help a lot too btw.. no insinuations here.. food for thot..           you are just jealous cuz the voices are talking to me and not u..
offthenutboom
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 02:50
Well, fuck it then, lets be corporate slaves for generations to come. There is no solution and no hope, no spirituality... it sounds like the brave new world is here already, by Ford. I might take some soma... oh sorry some Prozac to avoid this confrontation with reality. Maybe we are the last ppl with that good old human feeling in ourselves. Maybe that is what Burning Man is, the freaks in the desert who do not accept the conglomerates. It is in the book isn't it in that exact location!! And you read the end. No hope. Is this your ideal world. Are you a Beta?





KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 03:19
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On 2005-07-27 01:24, DETOX wrote:
And to end this story Kriz,look around your house,you will see your Nokia phone charging,your PC with Microsoft programmes being connected to the internet,the ash tray full of ashes from Marlboro that you smoke and your small refrigerator full of coca cola and nestle sweets..



just one thing before going to bed that i'll probably develop tomorrow : just don't consider your case a generality, detox, please..           .
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 03:39
Kakoo what are you talking about mate?

What do you use in order to connect to the internet and debate with me?

A handmade PC consisted of wood,powered by solar energy and with a self programmed operating system named Kakoo 2005 Professional Edition?           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 05:58

Yeah, but don't you go to a psytrance party to get away from this corporate everyday reality, to escape, feel the joy of being in a different state of mind that you can achieve through this magical music, not to get bombarded and distracted and annoyed by ubiquitous advertising - that would totally destroy the whole purpose of the music itself.




Kinda like staring at a beautiful psychedelic backdrop only to notice that it has the Coca Cola logo in the middle, instead of the Yin-Yang...


          ..it's just another party..
raj


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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 08:27
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offthenumboom said Well, fuck it then, lets be corporate slaves for generations to come. There is no solution and no hope, no spirituality... it sounds like the brave new world is here already, by Ford. I might take some soma... oh sorry some Prozac to avoid this confrontation with reality


u sure u havent took too much of that already? why are u exxagerating everythin man.. this isnt turning into 1984... do u think the govt is out to get u as well? cuz the aliens from outer space they captured id'd u as their leader..           you are just jealous cuz the voices are talking to me and not u..
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