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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 12:59
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On 2005-07-27 19:50, DETOX wrote:
Dear KAKOOLALAJWAL so you also use a pc and a mobile phone and i guess a car and lots of other multination corporations products,as you see it is impossible to live without all this stuff in our days |
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Once again, and for the last time, where did I stated that we must all live like hermits ?? Hein ? I have a car yes, the same car as OTT btw lol.. but, in the 20.000 inhabitants little city I live in, I make most of my moves with my longboard.. Not only in an hippie attitude but also because I use to drink a lot of beer and I don't want to be busted by the police because of this, ok ? And for the rest, again, I really don't see why things must be all black or all white like you are stating it here..
Put some water in your wine, DETOX, your speech looks like some extremist one.. I am sorry to tell it..
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On 2005-07-27 19:50, DETOX wrote:
Not very idealistic no? |
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Again again.. i might be sometimes idealistic indeed, but aren't you idealistic too when you dream about your +5000 people that you hope to have in your next party ?? You chosed your way of life, great.. But Detox, never consider it as better than any other 'cause it's not.. Booking Tiesto in example is something that doesn't interest me at all even if i could because what he plays is absolutely not what I would suggest to a crowd, and his lifestyle doesn't attract me at all so i wouldn't like to spend some time with him, basta.. Booking The Advent is another story, hehe..
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By the way you should tell to your friend that with a lot of cash and a good advising you can also get style in most of the situations  |
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You're stuffing the finger in your eye I you truely believe in this, DETOX, and there you are idealistic TOO (once again)
You can own an Aston Martin DETOX, but still drive it like a goat, you can be wearing some super expensive clothes but still looking like a scarecrow, being the richest freak in a club but still not being able to shake your hips in the rhythm.. As most of all, DETOX, "style" is not something that can be advised.. You have to spread your own.
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On 2005-07-27 21:35, clown wrote:
if you believe that the HUGE upcomming festival with a bunch of big names isn't nessisary to have a blast at a party, then by all means please dont attend that party and stick with your usual crew of people dancing at the local underground venue. |
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I completely agree with your post clown.. The only thing is that its' not simply super big events vs tiny underground parties... What about "medium sized" ones ?
Someone (sorry i couldn't find the sentence again) argued that "sponsored" party doesn't mean you will have some advertising inside the party..
So..
Speaking about my own experience, this is only for a while..
Why ?
Simply because some people, that have even far less values than you all here who contributed to the thread, will realize that so-called "psy-parties" do work and have a potential, and they, with bigger meanings than what one knows in this scene, will start to set up their own "psy parties" with no remorse at all and there you will get parties where the deco will be corporate advertising and not artistic at all anymore, and etc etc etc..
Believe it or not, this is what happened with the techno scene..
And this is now my last statement, that I have already wrote, I don't want to live again the same things I've lived in the techno scene !
have fun now, everybody
In huge, big, medium, small, private, single parties, sponsored or not, enjoy wisely or passively what you are suggested as long as you feel better after that it's ok.. Too bad for the people who get fucked up but keeping the smile and blablablaaa..
everybody have fun !
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a3k
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 16:34
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On 2005-07-27 21:35, clown wrote:
In our scene, there is room for parties with sponsors and parties without sponsors. There will be both for us to choose from but none are more ethical than the other. We as humains have the choice to attend the party we feel best suits our needs, and if you believe that the HUGE upcomming festival with a bunch of big names isn't nessisary to have a blast at a party, then by all means please dont attend that party and stick with your usual crew of people dancing at the local underground venue. There are other's who party once or twice a year, and they need a little more than the local's to get there ass out of there house and back on the dancefloor, so big festival's are needed at least once a year, and great if sponsors such as coke can help make this happen.. without these big festivals bringing in new people who normally would have never been attending a psytrance event IS THE WAY OUR SCENE GROWS.. wether your like it or not. accept it or dont, or maybe you don't care if the scene grows or not. and hey, if you don't, that's cool too because it isn't always about the quantity right?
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hi..i understand your point of view, and it very well stated, but thix is viewd on a perpective of consumism, and comercialism (bring mainstream names)..i fully understood that u have a point that people have the freedom 2 choose..or the freedom 2 even destroy the scene..we can´t even call it ours..cause it´s from everybody..
in my way of seing it...i started 2 listen 2 thix cause, i liked the offer and the "freedom", that thix could take me away from normal/regular life, so thix is the perfect "place" 2 b in if u don´t like the so called real world (btw, what´s real?i am real?are u real?what is reality?  ) and u go 2 events were greed sponsors are trying 2 put their hands on?there are dozens of trance festivals that are only made by efforts of the orgs and people, not with sponsors.
i dunno if burning man has sponsors, but it seems 2 me that don´t..but almost all festival is made by peoples participants effort 
so an alternative an escape from real world is filled with real world values (in thix case sponsors), well i don´t think it fits very well..but just my 2 cents.
i think people should come 2 the scene not only after of music idols...they should come 2 become a better person and have some good values.
i rather go on a smaller party, or medium party, that wasn´t made by coca cola or pepsi where some values still speak louder than €..
MY way of seing things.nobody as 2 identify in my words. ... |
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jou*
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 23:11
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After seeing all these interesting responses I still don't find a justifiable answer as to why having a sponsor like coca cola, pepsi or whatever is going to affect a party in any damaging way.
I've been to great parties where heineken or pepsi are part sponsors and that doesn't alter the music or vibe of the people in any way. Sometimes you really need to have a sponsor when you're trying to organize a 5000 ppl party where you know half of them aren't gonna pay and you're bringing a 10 artist line up.
We ARE in the 21st century in case you haven't noticed. It's not like we're still in the hippie age or something. We all do use computers no? So having a big name sponsor is the same as using mac and microsoft imo.
Do you truly think having a sponsor will affect the outcome of the party or harm the values we have always been aiming for? It's only a name, it's not like they will be forcing us to drink coca cola or wear levis or support slavery.
If we think having a sponsor is wrong then we shouldn't even been using cell phones, computers, cars, hardware, software, brand name food, brand name clothing, etc. After all they are just marketing stuff from this new era.
If we don't want to live like this we might as well all just go move to some faraway island were we won't ever have to see any big corporation names again!
Music is music, trance is trance and whatever brands are sponsoring won't change my view or the outcome of the party.
Anyhow, this is only my opinion. I know some people won't agree with me....this being a non-ending debate, but it is interesting to read everyones view point on this subject.
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lovecats
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 00:33
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i avoided this topic but I am lost for topics and my attempts to start ones have been merged with good reasaon I guess but I thik the point being moerr that I've started to many for a new comer. well i am suprised by how much sponsorship is at most party's. Firstly I reckon that this music and the people that are involved in it are to strong to be bought so on one hand let them throw the money we got our eyes open wide and we can catch it. But on the other hand I found it a bit disgeartening at earthcore 2 years ago they had girls walkin around in alchol tops talkiong to people about the wonders of drinking ...... and also a really well decked out teepee with tabacco company giving aaway sample of tabacco by young pretty girls. What amazed me is that when I comented on it to people after the party on forums, not one other person seemd to have notice. Did they stop in this teepee and just thik wow thanks for the smoke aren't you a bit young to be smoking roll your owns. Anyway that party is more like a commercial rave so I hope it isn't what your evolving to over there.
To adda slant onto the topic do you think corporate sponsorship of partys could be an indication that they could have instigated the use of corporate logos on ecstacy tablets. Love to get some proof if they did. ay don't you reckon that would be brilliant.
It seems like corporate sponsor ship is inevitable if we accept it or not they will be able to get into it some how. Infected Mushroom are oin their pay role I saw a bit back maybe they got some some extra jingle going on for them you know I do feel like a coke. What can we expect from a company that started of producing a drink with cocaine in it to perk up the troupes. We should take with hand and work out a way of balancing it, give out free water or something more tricky.
amazing 19 pages we must have feeling s about bieng manipulated or is it just the words coca cola drawiong people to the topic |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 00:59
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maybe for every sponsored money-making party, the promoter should throw 2 free, underground parties in the forest.
..it's just another party.. |
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Code Red
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 02:41
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Sponsors sound ok to me if their money go for making the party better like having better artists and sound. |
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raj
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Posted: Jul 29, 2005
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hey RAJ mighty original nickname you got there buddy |
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roflmao
dude.. thanks... rah sounds jus as imaginative though.. u can do better than that i'm sure man
you are just jealous cuz the voices are talking to me and not u.. |
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kaltefusion
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 14:22
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hi there,
1st of all, it´s a good thing to stand up for your views. and in fact coca cola has NOTHING to do spiritual partys (although i like to drink it).
BUT...not long ago i´ve been to goa...and if you see all the people (even in other countries on other parties) it is almost the same as having coke as a sponsor. i mean...all the people wearing the same clothes, having the same tattoos, trying to be sooooo individual, but in fact everybody is acting, eating and wearing almost the same. also a kind of big business for lots of people (ok...not like a multinational company as cocacola...but you cannot keep money completely out of partys...somebody has to pay for electricity, organisation, dj´s, deko, etc.) please dont get me wrong. i dont wanna harm anybody! but friendlyness and being open-minded (things i think belong to psy) are more wished by the people than practised.
so finally a good thing to canx djaying on this party but dont take coke as a sponsor too serious!! start with yourselves being better and more open minded partypeople!
a pleasant day to all of you
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 15:35
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On 2005-07-30 14:22, kaltefusion wrote:
hi there,
1st of all, it´s a good thing to stand up for your views. and in fact coca cola has NOTHING to do spiritual partys (although i like to drink it).
BUT...not long ago i´ve been to goa...and if you see all the people (even in other countries on other parties) it is almost the same as having coke as a sponsor. i mean...all the people wearing the same clothes, having the same tattoos, trying to be sooooo individual, but in fact everybody is acting, eating and wearing almost the same. also a kind of big business for lots of people (ok...not like a multinational company as cocacola...but you cannot keep money completely out of partys...somebody has to pay for electricity, organisation, dj´s, deko, etc.) please dont get me wrong. i dont wanna harm anybody! but friendlyness and being open-minded (things i think belong to psy) are more wished by the people than practised.
so finally a good thing to canx djaying on this party but dont take coke as a sponsor too serious!! start with yourselves being better and more open minded partypeople!
a pleasant day to all of you
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It sure is smart to think Coca Cola should not be a sponsor and then at the same time admit that you like to drink it.... very clever |
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BoooM
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 02:07
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Coca Cola is a shit !!!!
Bad for people
Sadcola
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kaltefusion
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 21:21
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hi!
i tried to explain...read the COMPLETE article and i am sure you will understand...
sm:)e
It sure is smart to think Coca Cola should not be a sponsor and then at the same time admit that you like to drink it.... very clever
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Stregone
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Posted : Aug 18, 2005 15:12
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For me a party with images of sponsors mixed with deco and other is not anymore a goa party.... |
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elves project
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Posted : Aug 20, 2005 15:02
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bravo,bravo,1000 bravo 2 Fabio and Luiz
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A.Rosengren
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Aug 22, 2005 12:57
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Rave - o - cola
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