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HandA
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 20:21
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It dosent really matter why Zoom choose to get donations and get free stuff from local companies. At the end of the day it's still sponsoring no matter what you say. And so because it's to cut down the entrence price it's sudddently ok in your opinion? You contradict yourself.
If I want Coca Cola or whoever to sponsor my parties it's also so i can deliver a nice party of good quality. It's not to make money myself.. So where's the difference? Please explain it if you can! |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 20:41
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On 2005-07-26 13:28, HandA wrote:
I suggest that those of you that are so "spiritual" that it's a sin for you to be in a party where "evil" multinational corporations have a sponsor deal stay away and make your won small "underground"c parties in your backyard. Frankly you will have a hard time even find a Festival this summer without some kind of sponsordeals.
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The Burning Man festival, with its 20 year history and 35,000+ attendees last year, one of the biggest, longest, and most mindblowingly psychedelic festivals in the world has never had a single corporate sponsorship. 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 20:42
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On 2005-07-25 02:41, DETOX wrote:
(which i dont know if they are in UK or Cyprus pounds) |
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If they are Cyprus pounds it is even worse.. it makes the party at 35 euros.. beh..
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On 2005-07-26 20:21, HandA wrote:
And so because it's to cut down the entrence price it's sudddently ok in your opinion? You contradict yourself.
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No I don't and you have a short memory HandA, from the beginning I wrote in this thread : stick to an ethic if you have to get sponsors.. So please don't come with your "suddenly"..
The only multinational "sponsor" (and the way they helped is mentionned on the page) is heineken and i have already told my opinion about beer in this thread, HandA..
I repeat once again that Coca-Cola is known to be over greedy, taking advantage of the third world situation so I would just NEVER have a deal with them, do you understand this ?? If I could even avoid to sell some coke in a party I would organize and work with another soft drink company I would not even think about it a second !
I have the example of an amusement park I used to work in when i was a scholar/student, in Germany where they used to have, besides all Coca Cola products, the french soft drink Orangina.. The company made everything possible to break the deal they had with Orangina, and finally managed to do it !! The most funny thing is that a few times later they just bought the Orangina company !!! Those people are just sharks if you ask me, and I just wouldn't want to see them sponsoring any of my parties if I were organizing any !
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 20:45
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 20:58
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Kakoo you dont feel bad or worried by the fact that you have never organised a big event but at the same time you accusse people that got sponsors like Coca Cola in their events in order to manage and keep their finances in the lowest levels possible.Sorry but this reminds me of people that think that driving a car is easy but when they get their first car they realise that things are not as easy as they seem from the passengers seat and during the first month of their driving experience they have several crashes.
And to answer your second question,many people including me are willing to take the risk and organise a big event.Bigger event usually means bigger fun,better and bigger facilities,bigger line ups,and depending the outcome of the party bigger profit or bigger loss.Life is full of risks and if everybody was happy by organising events for 200 people then psy trance would never be as popular as it is today (as popular as psy trance is in our days) and many people including me and many others would never be able to attend a party and get to know the music.Big parties are the main reason that many people were introduced to this kind of music.
So yes big parties are needed,big festivals are welcome and sponsors are urgently needed to support this kind of events.
Now concerning sponsors the bigger the company the more the money they invest.I mean do you know any company that is not a multinational corporation willing to invest 30.000 euros on a big event?And for gods sake parties are not sponsored by gun production or military corporations,they are sponsored by ciggarettes companies like Marlboro and communications multinationals like Vodafone.Oh yes i forgot mobile phones cause cancer,ciggaretes kill people in the long run,beer cause accidents,coca cola exploits people in third world countries,Macdonalds kill poor animals,Nestle uses bad ingredients from mutated plants and so on...
Come on stop pretending people,we all have a pc,we all have a mobile,we all drink coca cola,we all smoke,we all eat sweets and candies and we all have visited Macdonalds,so its ok to use them in our everyday life but its not ok to have them as sponsors?
Last but not least concerning where the money from sponsorships go i suggest you to visit a big event hosted by Vodafone or Coca Cola and you will see sound systems and lasers and dancers and other facilities that parties with no sponsors is impossible to have.Thats where the money go and trust me sponsors ask receipts for all these stuff and dont just give you their money in order to put them in your pocket.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:14
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On 2005-07-26 20:58, DETOX wrote:
visit a big event hosted by Vodafone or Coca Cola and you will see sound systems and lasers and dancers and other facilities that parties with no sponsors is impossible to have.
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see my comment about burningman above. There are usually multiple large sound systems, lasers, artwork - EVERYBODY there brings something to contribute. It's a different mentality than you see at a regular festival - not a consumer "give us entertainment for money" mentality, but "we'll create our own entertainment for ourselves" which overflows into the participants' everyday lives as well. Everybody participates in the parties we create here - very few people just come to reap the fruits, everybody brings, builds, makes, or donates something to the cause. It makes the whole event a lot more fun for everyone involved. 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:20
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On 2005-07-26 20:58, DETOX wrote:
Kakoo you dont feel bad or worried by the fact that you have never organised a big event but at the same time you accusse people that got sponsors like Coca Cola in their events in order to manage and keep their finances in the lowest levels possible. |
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No I don't feel bad at all sorry.. To tell the truth (once again) I felt bad going to such parties when I was still going out a lot in techno parties (and believe me I went to hundreds of them, nearly each week-end in the period I went out the most, and sometimes I was going to work directly after the party..)..
Bigger is better ?? This is exactly where we disagree.. The rising presence of sponsorship I have witnessed in techno ended up to disgust me as these techno parties I used to have so much fun because I felt FREE there changed so deeply with the sponsors.. besides the fact of seing corporate banner on stage and in the rooms, MENTALITY changed in these parties as more and more people were coming there.. Some people begun to fight, which is something I never saw for a LONG while in techno parties, the relations between boys and girls changed too, the spontaneity went down, and many boys were there to hunt some girls, therefore the obvious atmosphere of trust between boys and girls you could find in the very beginning was forgotten !
No, Detox, bigger is absolutely not better, people thinking like you just killed the spontaneus vibration I was enjoying so much in my early techno experiences.. Don't take this sentence personal now please, i am speaking about the way I lived the thing..
After a while a friend brought me to a Goa party and I took a serious smack in the face, DETOX, because I could enjoy AGAIN these vibrations I had lost in techno..
Hope this helps to understand my point of view.. I just don't want to live the same degradation again !
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:24
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And about sound systems, DETOX... Maybe you will be over-surprised to learn that in our weak family parties we can get some Nexo sound systems at a price that you wouldn't believe..
So maybe dig deeper and you will find cool plans like this..
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:28
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On 2005-07-26 20:58, DETOX wrote:
if everybody was happy by organising events for 200 people then psy trance would never be as popular as it is today (as popular as psy trance is in our days) and many people including me and many others would never be able to attend a party and get to know the music. |
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If psytrance being popular means Skazi massacring poor Max Romeo's "Chase the Devil" song in front of thousands people, then no thanks, please... next !
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:14
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Im proud that people like kakoo and dimitry, that wants something with this scene!! Big respect to you guys , I totally agree ...
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We DONT want coca cola @ parties, we DONT want MTV, we DONT want marlboro here, why ?
Because we are the scene, we are the people.. Not a big commercial orginisation that ONLY wants to make more (and more) money .... they will be gone as fast as they came..
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In parties i like small shops that sell home made juice/food and not just a can of coke 
This is ofcourse only my opinion (but thank god I see other think this way aswell)...
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I have to tell this also @ Samothraki 2003 "Camel" had some girls walking around handing out free cigs to people and selling cartons of smoke, I was disgusted!!! Why support companies like Camel ?? And I mean support : giving them room to advertise (not just byuing a pack of smoke ....)
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:30
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Handa and Detox,
Loving the bling bling. Maybe you should get an Arena and let the "stars" arrive in the latest yatchs, interview in the red carpet... all dressed in psy Armani, Gucci... and let them put a show for the masses. There is nothing wrong with this right? Just go galactical and as i said b4 build your Babel tower of trance. Evangelize your trance beliefs to the masses until stadiums burst out with ppl and groupies wait for days b4 the show to have a peak of the artist. Let it rip!!!
Do it!!! Maybe that is your purpose in life. I just personally will not join the "For better enjoyment consumption is being standarized" motto. And i will join my friends and my ppl in the dancefloor of a beautiful natural setting. And the music will be weird, strange and somewhat psychedelic
So it comes down to personal opinion. Just don't try to convince us because we are quite unhappy on how these corporations behave and literally fuck humanity. Unless there is a change in legislation in the US, this monsters will control all of our lifes up to the second.
I believe in this alternative visionary lifestyle. I believe in the good in the ppl within this scene... and I also see the massification, standarization and capitalization of this lifestyle is really killing that spirit I trully love. And how is it killing it. Because some ppl start thinking that the material elements make the party better. That more is better. That is exactly the corporation talking. |
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:46
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On 2005-07-26 13:28, HandA wrote:
I suggest that those of you that are so "spiritual" that it's a sin for you to be in a party where "evil" multinational corporations have a sponsor deal stay away and make your won small "underground"c parties in your backyard. Frankly you will have a hard time even find a Festival this summer without some kind of sponsordeals.
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The Burning Man festival, with its 20 year history and 35,000+ attendees last year, one of the biggest, longest, and most mindblowingly psychedelic festivals in the world has never had a single corporate sponsorship.
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that's probably because it costs more than an arm and a leg to party at burning man.. even the Dj's and the artists have to pay 250$'s just access the site.. it wierd but it works. I guess we can say that the people sponsor the party.. hehe..
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:56
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yes, EVEN the dj's and artists have to pay to go. and the people who bring the sound and the art, and the massage tables, and the fountains of fire they put in the middle of the desert, and the people who build saunas and waterslides where there is no water, and ALL of us have to pay to make it happen. And guess what? We all do - we all make it happen. Get it? It's not a consumer event. It's an event for the people by the people, and the money goes to support the infrastructure, pay the land fees and permits, and give grants to the biggest art projects like the Temple etc. It brings the essence of the artist to one thing - making music, not making money. And a lot of people hold fundraisers, figure out ways to help bring their favorite artists to Burning Man to play. It's a different mentality, and it's hard to understand until you've experienced it yourself.
and it costs about $200 for a week, btw. not that much more, if you consider most 2 day festivals in the US charge between $35 and $100.
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:57
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On 2005-07-26 23:30, offthenutboom wrote:
Handa and Detox,
Loving the bling bling. Maybe you should get an Arena and let the "stars" arrive in the latest yatchs, interview in the red carpet... all dressed in psy Armani, Gucci... and let them put a show for the masses. There is nothing wrong with this right? Just go galactical and as i said b4 build your Babel tower of trance. Evangelize your trance beliefs to the masses until stadiums burst out with ppl and groupies wait for days b4 the show to have a peak of the artist. Let it rip!!!
Do it!!! Maybe that is your purpose in life. I just personally will not join the "For better enjoyment consumption is being standarized" motto. And i will join my friends and my ppl in the dancefloor of a beautiful natural setting. And the music will be weird, strange and somewhat psychedelic
So it comes down to personal opinion. Just don't try to convince us because we are quite unhappy on how these corporations behave and literally fuck humanity. Unless there is a change in legislation in the US, this monsters will control all of our lifes up to the second.
I believe in this alternative visionary lifestyle. I believe in the good in the ppl within this scene... and I also see the massification, standarization and capitalization of this lifestyle is really killing that spirit I trully love. And how is it killing it. Because some ppl start thinking that the material elements make the party better. That more is better. That is exactly the corporation talking.
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Please shut down your computer and throw away all Microsoft software your using (legal or not legal). That company is the most hostile "takeover" company in the world and litteraly quilty of 10.000's of lost jobs and indeed hidden child labour in Asia.
Then come back and preach here... On no you cant without your computer
Throw your Cell phone in the trashcan.. It's polution the Enviroment and probably giving you a brain tumor and it's bad bad companies that manufacture them.
And also stop using money or have a bank account.. After all money are the root to all evil. Go live of the land and make your own clothes and live of "peace & Love" |
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