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sponsors like CocaCola in Private Party? What?
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raj
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 02:44
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ummm... wud it be ok if it was microsoft instead that sponsored the party? i suppose "a lot" of ppl here are using microsoft products... but well well.. whatdya know.. they r a big corporation too..
(now i hope we dont spark off an open source movement discussion here..)
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paradine
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 10:41
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Sure many of us use Micro$oft products - but how many of us actually paid for them. I don't know about you but I won't pay MS a single cent if i can help it. |
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paradine
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 11:10
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Oh and Clown. Can you listen to what you are saying? You talk about Marketing in the same sentance os Psytrance?
You ever heard of Bill Hicks? He's a pretty clever and well respected guy. Wanna know what he said? "If you are in Marketing - do us all a favour. Kill yourself... Seriously. Kill yourself"
Consume and Conform all you like just don't drag the Psychedelic Scene into your dreams of 'marketing' it to the masses.
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NeutroN
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 12:33
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I do not see a problem with coke sponsoring an event. I have seen many organizers of parties who are also big dealers, and no one seems to care, some even think its cool.
As for marketing, well if it wasnt for it nothing would actually sell, someone has gotta do the dirty job, and i am one of them as well.
paradine, we are all marketing the psychedelic scene, even u. u have probably told a friend how cool it is and have already dragged a couple to a party yeah? that is perhaps the most powerfull and effective marketing tool - WOM (Word Of Mouth). Or maybe you should blame the artists who travel all over the world to do what? market their artist brand, or maybe blame the organizers who are always trying to build a org brand and get as many people to come to their parties as possible, and guess what they use a fuck load of marketing tools. so b4 u bash something think about it first, their must be a good dam reason why their are some many professions in the world.
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raj
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Posted : Jul 21, 2005 14:38
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wow.. well said paradine.. i guess our problem is solved then... cuz coke is not askin u to spend a single cent on them.. so b an angel n take a bottle of water or fresh juice with u to the next psy-trance party sponsored by coke or pepsi... but like u r using the microsoft products without cribbing, use the facilities that coke is giving u at ur next party.. so u get better sound, better visuals... y complain? y be hypocritical here dude..
n as for not dragging the psy trance scene to the masses.. well.. what u r really sayin is that i shud produce my own music.. listen to it.. n enjoy.. who cares what a dj like penta or whoever is producing in their cities.. hmm.. sounds like a nice idea... doesnt it?? 
respect to u buddy.. but lets not argue for teh sake of arguing...
as far as i can see the problem was that baphomet were ready to play for free for a party that was in the end a big party which could have afforded to pay them a respectable amount... so a thumbs down to the organisers for tryin to cheat the dj n misusing their gud intentions.. but lets try n keep it real here.. there r a lotta festivals with sponsors who probably pay dj's a lot.. does baphomet not play for them as well?? if not then respect for their ideals.. but i dont think its the best idea personally..
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Posted : Jul 24, 2005 15:53
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raj
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Posted : Jul 24, 2005 22:28
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@ chp
and this bothers u because.........???
you are just jealous cuz the voices are talking to me and not u.. |
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CLAW
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Posted : Jul 24, 2005 23:17
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 02:10
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It does bother me MUCH !
This party, with several sponsors as you can see, and especially the famous soft drinks world leader, suggests one 3 hours deejay-set, plus an "opening" set.. for 20 pounds which are 28 euros which are 34 dollars..
For 28 euros, still not so long ago, I used to party for a whole week-end. (entrance fees of course..)
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 02:41
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Yeah and before the European Community implemented the same currency (Euro) in most of its member countries i used to go to the supermarket and do my regular buys for 25%-30% less than i do now.
Wake up people we are living in 2005 and things get more expensive year by year,clubbing is just one of those things.
P.S The entrance fee to the party mentioned above is 17 pounds for those really interested in going there and who ofcourse buy a presale ticket (which i dont know if they are in UK or Cyprus pounds) and not 20 pounds which is the door price.
P.S 2 Nobody forces you to attend this event so i dont know how one can be bothered by the way that this party gets advertised and promoted.If you think that you can book Tiesto with no big sponsor then be my guest and do it.... Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 13:15
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On 2005-07-25 02:41, DETOX wrote:
P.S 2 Nobody forces you to attend this event so i dont know how one can be bothered by the way that this party gets advertised and promoted.If you think that you can book Tiesto with no big sponsor then be my guest and do it....
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The thing is that I do absolutely not want to book Tiesto, DETOX, first of all..
The problem is, according to you, that sponsors "allow" (sorry if my translation is bad) promoters to set up such parties with such artists..
Could be nice if it was ending at that point.. But no, the thing is not about setting up the party for the fun of it, and the experience of good vibes and nice music.. The thing is about making many as many money as possible.. And the entrance fee, in this case, is a part of it..
And please don't come and tell me : what else are you ready to which is not do for the money or I dunno what else.. It's not the point..
Same goes for your inflation argument : zero, nada, nothing more than a draught..
Clubbing got more expensive because of the fashion dynamic it has taken the advantage of.. nothing else !
You are considering the readers here some suckers if you truely meant it..
I have witnessed that in Germany where the ammount of the fees rised constantly in the end of the 90's SIMPLY because more and more people where coming into these clubs.. reaching the state of "joke" with the Mayday in example which the entrance fee ended up to 45 or 50 euros for A single night..
But : too much hype killed the hype and now the situation is strongly going backward..
In example in August I will be able to enjoy Abe Duque (plus other artists) for 10 euros and not a single cent more in one of those german clubs I'm dealing with (and stopped to frequent a few years ago)..
And Detox, between Abe Duque and Tiesto, there is a world, regarding music (the reason why i'm going out..)
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 18:48
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Kakoo when an artist like Tiesto sees that wherever he goes he attracts at least 5000 people then its normal for him to raise his fee.I remember before 3 years ago being one of the people responsible bringing him to Athens in the place where i was having my psy trance events along with Eyal Barkan from Israel and Ticon from Sweden,the place was packed with 5000 people and imagine that Tiesto back then wasnt the number one dj in the world,i dont think he was yet voted by the DJ Magazine.When a DJ sees that he is so famous in a country then its normal for him to raise his price fee and even double it which was the situation in Athens with Tiesto after that event and the reason why i didnt spend more time with him.After that event in order to book Tiesto you needed a huge sponsor in order to finance the whole event otherwise it was impossible to pay him,so a big sponsor and a big entrance fee was essential for having such an event.In any case nobody forces you to go to such an event if you dont want to.
About my inflation argument i dont know whats going on in France and Germany but in Greece in 48 hours the prices on basic things like bread,water,fast food,refreshments,newspapers and other basic stuff rised 10%-15%.I mean on Friday before the euro you could buy a newspaper for 250 drachmas which is about 75 cents and then on Monday the same newspaper was priced 1 euro.Thats 25% rise in 48 hours....
Same took place with clubbing where the entrance fee for a party was something like 5000 drachmas which is about 15 euro and then next week the price was 20 euro!
If you think that my argument is not valid then probably you are not very good in mathematics my friend.
Ofcourse the clubbing world is changing rapidly day by day but also the economic situation in Europe changes also on a daily basis.
Concerning Abe Duque and Tiesto well this comparison is based solely on taste i guess and has nothing to do with prices.I mean when Tiesto plays here the tickets price is 40 euro and when Jean Michel Jarre performs in Greece the cheapest ticket is around 70-80 euros.Its called Offer and Demand concept if you have studied a little bit of management and business
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 19:54
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On 2005-07-25 18:48, DETOX wrote:
Kakoo when an artist like Tiesto sees that wherever he goes he attracts at least 5000 people then its normal for him to raise his fee. [...] When a DJ sees that he is so famous in a country then its normal for him to raise his price fee and even double it |
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Speaking about Tiesto and some other artists I believe that things went too far and I won't change my point of view, DETOX, not regarding this.. Such deejays are taking advantage of the ignorance of the people, and as you say when I compare Abe Duque with Tiesto, taste is very personal and therefore taste must not be imposed to the other people.. So I don't even know on what FUCKING criteria this badger called Tiesto has been elected "number one deejay in the world" by a magazine that I have even never read a single line..
Nobody can be the "number one" for the simple reason that even with the exact same dj-set, the crowd on friday night in such a place won't react in the same way than another crowd the night after in another place.. So maybe one can consider the synthesis "moment+place+crowd+deejay+soundsystem" as reaching a kind of perfection, but no one can be shown as "the number one".. Because the "number one" can mix somewhere one night, and the night after a newcomer or a dj who never opened his buttocks for anybody can rock the party twice, simply because the crowd is more in the mood for party than the night before !
But let's stick to the topic..
You deal with those ugly words that i know quite well, DETOX, don't worry as I've studied economy for a while, those ugly words offer and demand that i tried to shun until now in my nightlife, with more and more difficulties...
If nobody, no promoter would book Tiesto anymore, don't worry his "I am the star" fee would fall down as fast as it raised.. but but but, there are some people who will still going on taking advantage of the ignorance of the masses, because such flyers CHP posted attract mostly the masses, because they use glossary of the star-system and absolutely avoid every graphic details and/or layout that could look too avant-garde..
This is something I am afraid to witness (once again) in the psychedelic trance scene if more and more parties get sponsored..
This run to the "more" is a vicious circle, and it will definitaly kill the scene as I used to enjoy it, and I am sure I'm not alone..
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On 2005-07-25 18:48, DETOX wrote:
Same took place with clubbing where the entrance fee for a party was something like 5000 drachmas which is about 15 euro and then next week the price was 20 euro!
If you think that my argument is not valid then probably you are not very good in mathematics my friend. |
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I repeat it has nothing to deal with the fashion aspect which has been much more important in my opinion.. What can I say if the greek club-owner decided to fuck up their crowd when the Euro came ? And what can I say if the greek people went on partying there without saying a word ?
What I am talking about, the rise of the entrance fees begun long before the Euro, you know.. And after a while the people reacted, got fed up and left these clubs.. Now they (club-owners) are suggesting season tickets that nearly divide the entrance fee twice to make the people come back again.. Offer and demand as you said it.. I wish greek party-goers will react too, DETOX..
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 25, 2005 19:57
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I think psy trance is way above money. It is an antient ritual a particular tribe of usually friends, come to expand their consciousness as we break down our illusions generated by our encasing in this planet... our body. It is a gift full of wisdom.
Once we let babylon regulate the ritual, for me personally it just looses it meaning. It becomes another superficial entertaiment parade with copy carbon music and shallow reasons... and most important of all: The reason is not an inward outward awakening trip, but self gratification. Money ends up being the reason for this parties to exist. And when I hear only money this and money that, and minds bursting to build a huge Babel tower of trance... I feel dissapointed because I just love it when I hear words from the heart, with passion and love for what we do, without care for how many listen or how much is pocketed.
I hope, including myself, we all can liberate ourselves from this slavering material entanglement and dance freely without a care... like many humans have done for millenia in the past.
Of course this is my opinion and this is what I believe. Everyone is how they are... So I will keep on moving in the direction of what I believe and love. And I will not worry about what the rest does or not... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 00:45
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To make a long story short.
If Kakoo and Offthentboom you believe that psy trance is still a kind of music dealing with spirituality and Plur and stuff like that then sorry to inform you but you are something like 7-8 years behind our modern times.
Welcome to the real world of globalisation and multi corporations.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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