| Author
|
sponsors like CocaCola in Private Party? What?
|
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
116
Posts :
2565
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:19
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 12:41, HandA wrote:
Now about PLUR and peace and love.. It's long gone dead! And believe me todays agressive and very fast music dont really promote peace and love. |
|
Again.. Is that a reason enough to accept it and let down the arms ? And fast music is happily not the whole of what is being released nowadays..
  .
.
"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
http://www.myspace.com/zekakoo |
|
|
|
EYB
Noized
Started Topics :
111
Posts :
2849
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:28
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 12:41, HandA wrote:
(aren't all parties private or dark psy has nothing to do with peace and love and how the scene used to be - vision wise - in my opinion of course.
|
|
wtf 'dark psy' doesn't make the people bad, it doesn't change peaceful and loveful people into the opposite!
Signature |
|
|
|
HandA
Inactive User
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
890
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:35
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:28, EYB wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 12:41, HandA wrote:
(aren't all parties private or dark psy has nothing to do with peace and love and how the scene used to be - vision wise - in my opinion of course.
|
|
wtf 'dark psy' doesn't make the people bad, it doesn't change peaceful and loveful people into the opposite!
|
|
When you quote me please quote me correctly instead of cutting up my quote 
Where did I say that dark trance make people bad? I said it dont belong in the goa/psy scene .. It belong in the metal/goth rock scene where evil symbols and evil references in the music is accepted.
|
|
|
|
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
116
Posts :
2565
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:42
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:19, DETOX wrote:
Kakoo you speak like a party organiser always makes a profit and always tries to find ways of making the more money possible.
Have you ever organised a big event yourself? |
|
HAHAHA That's again the lethal question that some of you like to ask on this forum..
NO, oh big Detox, I never organised mastas events myself, but I often did now for small ones (300 people).. So U'll probably consider my lines as trifling but I don't care : sponsorship CAN be useful in the degree it is a deal made with CONSCIOUS and ETHICS.
That means choose carefully your sponsor, Detox.. In my everyday life I refuse to wear some Nike, Lewis, I try to avoid eating food from Nestlé, I've never been in a Mc Donalds for more than four years now, even with incense if you ask me, I refuse to give some money to Sai Baba (nag Champa).. These are a few examples and I have reasons for it..
Same goes for sponsorship.. if I had to look for some, I would certainly NOT go and ring the bell of Coca-cola's doors..
Basta.
.
.
"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
http://www.myspace.com/zekakoo |
|
|
|
HandA
Inactive User
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
890
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:47
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:42, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
In my everyday life I refuse to wear some Nike, Lewis, I try to avoid eating food from Nestlé, I've never been in a Mc Donalds for more than four years now, even with incense if you ask me, I refuse to give some money to Sai Baba (nag Champa).. These are a few examples and I have reasons for it..
Same goes for sponsorship.. if I had to look for some, I would certainly NOT go and ring the bell of Coca-cola's doors..
Basta.
|
|
Thats your choice but that does not make us that actuallly like to wear Levis etc. etc. stop doing it because you find it wrong. the same goes with sponsors. I dont really see Coca Cola as a "bad" sponsor. Unless I think liek you and obviously think that all American brands are bad
So do your small parties the way you like and let us do our paties the way we like
Easy isent it |
|
|
|
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
116
Posts :
2565
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:47
|
The example of Beer has been written here.. The brewery of beer is a secular craftman's trade, and it is easy to find brands and people still having a certain proud of it and don't purely think numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers..
.
.
"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
http://www.myspace.com/zekakoo |
|
|
|
HandA
Inactive User
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
890
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:53
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:45, nolightatend wrote:
HandA where do you belong? I don't think progressive trance has much to do with psychedelic trance too. Although you are here, so dark psy in my honest view is much more close to be goa/psy than progressive of Iboga. Just keep it in mind.
There was always aggressive musicians so Tim Schuldt, Dark Soho or Huxflux not belong to psy/goa scene? Dark style is just less creative than these with speedy fullon elements. That's it
|
|
LOL well I do find progressive trance and indeed also tribal/progressive House way more close to goa and psytrance because of one thing... repetetiveness.. Trance = a state of trance caused by repetetive drumming and alike. NOT 150 bpm evil "lets scare you" music.
I dont see evil music as a music that will put you in a state of trance and as I said evil references got nothing to do with our scene.. But of course if you dont really know what psy/goa is and haven't expereinced what it will say to get into a state of trance from dancing to repetetive trance(without drugs) because you came into the scene very late (or never understood the idea behind this scene) then I understand your way of reasoning and looking at things
And I never thought Tim and the rest of your examples as good for our scene. They took the music in a wrong direction in my opinion. But they NEVER took it into evil references!
Again Evil thinking and evil worshipping does not belong in this scene. Period!
But all of this is off-topic!
back to the subject..
I got absolutely nothing against sponsors in parties as long as the sponsors dont force their products on you. |
|
|
|
HandA
Inactive User
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
890
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:53
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:47, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
The example of Beer has been written here.. The brewery of beer is a secular craftman's trade, and it is easy to find brands and people still having a certain proud of it and don't purely think numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers..
|
|
go and hug a tree |
|
|
|
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
116
Posts :
2565
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:56
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:47, HandA wrote:
the same goes with sponsors. I dont really see Coca Cola as a "bad" sponsor. Unless I think liek you and obviously think that all American brands are bad |
|
Where have I written that all the american brands are bad ? hmm ? Nestlé is american ? that's new..
And yes Coca-Cola is a bad sponsor. PUNTO !
Why ? Even in a deal of sponsorship, where a certain ammount of money is passing from one hand to another, there can be an other share than purely financial.. Something more deep..
What can Coca Cola share with us ? hein ? care to explain me ?? THEY DON'T CARE AT ALL about the Music you are making, man. They even didn't care about the old Santa Klaus and changed his colour into RED : their colour !!
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:47, HandA wrote:
So do your small parties the way you like and let us do our paties the way we like
|
|
Don't worry for me, i will keep doing them.. 
THE thing that worries me is that with people thinking like you are with this precise sentence is that we are going to a two gears psytrance scene.. like it happened already in the world with much more serious things like medecine, social protection, and so on..
.
.
"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
http://www.myspace.com/zekakoo |
|
|
|
DETOX
Moderator
Started Topics :
296
Posts :
6194
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 13:58
|
Kakoo i asked you if you had ever organised a big event simply because i wanted to see if you have ever been in a position like me in the morning when the party ended and i was owing 5000 euros to artists and sound technicians,at times like that a sponsor seems like an angel from heaven.Like you admitted you never did something big on your own so you dont know how risky and dangerous is to organise a big event for 1000 people or even more,big money risk not to mention the police problems...
You said to choose carefully my sponsor,sorry but in order to get a good sponsorsip you need a big multinational sponsor like Nike,Coca Cola,Levis,Bacardi,Vodafone,Heineken and companies like that,do you think that Biologic Potatoes Incorporated and Sugar Free Cheesecake International are interested in financing dance events?Trust me they dont and even if they were interested they dont have the budget in order to do so.Even if Nokia was the sponsor of an event people would come up and say 'hey their mobile phones are causing cancer to people so dont support them',i mean 90% of the stuff out there causes problems to people and the enviroment,thats our modern society,if you want to reject it then just go and live at the mountains or in a cave or something.I mean you dont wear Nike and you dont eat Macdonalds but i guess you own a mobile phone and you drive a car,mobile phones and cars are also bad so why you use them?Hope you get my meaning.
I am not trying to show that i know everything here or pretend to be master blaster party organiser and label manager BUT people that have never been in the position of a big party organiser cannot understand how the whole system works,they know whats going on more or less but they dont know the full details of it.I mean we know that a car works by putting fuel in it,stepping on the gas and brake and turning the wheel but when the time comes to drive it for the first time we see that things arent so simple as they seem to be,and trust me organising a big event is much more complex than driving a car for the first time
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
|
|
|
HandA
Inactive User
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
890
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 14:01
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:56, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:47, HandA wrote:
the same goes with sponsors. I dont really see Coca Cola as a "bad" sponsor. Unless I think liek you and obviously think that all American brands are bad |
|
Where have I written that all the american brands are bad ? hmm ? Nestlé is american ? that's new..
And yes Coca-Cola is a bad sponsor. PUNTO !
Why ? Even in a deal of sponsorship, where a certain ammount of money is passing from one hand to another, there can be an other share than purely financial.. Something more deep..
What can Coca Cola share with us ? hein ? care to explain me ?? THEY DON'T CARE AT ALL about the Music you are making, man. They even didn't care about the old Santa Klaus and changed his colour into RED : their colour !!
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:47, HandA wrote:
So do your small parties the way you like and let us do our paties the way we like
|
|
Don't worry for me, i will keep doing them..
THE thing that worries me is that with people thinking like you are with this precise sentence is that we are going to a two gears psytrance scene.. like it happened already in the world with much more serious things like medecine, social protection, and so on..
|
|
it's abut dancing and have fun.. you take things to the extreeme and have to associate dancing with serious world matters... if a party is sponsored by coca cola or whatever does not mean that the party is less fun and that people will become brainwashed into small Americans and "evil" capitalists!
A party is about having fun and dancing... who cares if it go a sponsor A 0r B... If that sponsor make the party possible then I am fine with it. Of course if the sponsor is directly linked to something nasty like child labour, war etc etc. I would never use it... But come on.. A soft drink even if it is coca cola? nahhh mate.. your too extreeme.
your indeed a treehugger (joke) |
|
|
|
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
116
Posts :
2565
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 14:13
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-06-23 13:58, DETOX wrote:
Kakoo i asked you if you had ever organised a big event simply because i wanted to see if you have ever been in a position like me in the morning when the party ended and i was owing 5000 euros to artists and sound technicians,at times like that a sponsor seems like an angel from heaven.Like you admitted you never did something big on your own so you dont know how risky and dangerous is to organise a big event for 1000 people or even more,big money risk not to mention the police problems... |
|
Then I think it's about time to think for a while and come to a conclusion that Greece is not made for +1000 events because PRECISELY you are losing money every time you do it..
OR being aware that you might loose some, and fully assume this fact.. The Zoom festival organizers did so, and they kept going on their way.. ending up in the year 2001 with not far from 10 000 people !
In 2002 it has been catastrophic as the festival had to be cancelled because of the huge rain.. They had started building the scene and so on, but they could only see for themselves the disaster..
What did they do ? All along the following year they made little parties to re-fund and being able to go on..
But now we come to another point.. People how far will it go.. Looks like nowadays there is a race between some orgas to know who will make the BIGGER festival ever..
You want my opinion ? pathetic, useless and even comic.
.
.
"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
http://www.myspace.com/zekakoo |
|
|
|
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
116
Posts :
2565
Posted : Jun 23, 2005 14:20
|
HandA, I left the Techno scene and stopped going to big techno parties because of all those things we are dealing with in this topic..
I know what it is to have 5-6 different brands advertised nearly EVERYWHERE in the party, i mean even more ads than proper deco..
I remember the days where it was easy to have a chat with Jeff Mills and pay a drink to Richie Hawtin, and this completely dissapeared now.. with those lame VIP (sponsored) squares and all the CODES that have been the consequence of it.. Techno lost its Freedom, and I hopefully found it again in my early Psychedelic Trance parties...
And now you would like me to live the same thing again ??
Come on..
.
.
"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
http://www.myspace.com/zekakoo |
|
|
|
