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Psykovsky Faking Live set at Lost Theory :(

moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 00:01
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On 2013-11-20 21:07, Login wrote:

Psykovsky "live" is as fake as it has been in this scene for many many years. Don't know why the uproar.



i didn't know it.
i guess nowadays artists actually do more live at home in the studio than at the partys.
daark
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 02:25
minilouge and oood is more then enough live for me. i can do with less and still be satisfied for psy.

shifting the "chamber pitch" (or just pitch is enough) can be done with 1 cdj without even the need of using your hands to do it right. you can do it with your nose or eyeball to make it at least something.
it's just that simple really. i don't think that would qualify as live or anything. i mean the person is alive thats it.

maybe an example that we can hear ? or not.

          http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
Wierd shit happens :)
daark
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 02:25
minilouge and oood is more then enough live for me. i can do with less and still be satisfied for psy.

shifting the "chamber pitch" (or just pitch is enough) can be done with 1 cdj without even the need of using your hands to do it right. you can do it with your nose or eyeball to make it at least something.
it's just that simple really. i don't think that would qualify as live or anything. i mean the person is alive thats it.

maybe an example that we can hear ? or not.

          http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
Wierd shit happens :)
daark
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 02:25
minilouge and oood is more then enough live for me. i can do with less and still be satisfied for psy.

shifting the "chamber pitch" (or just pitch is enough) can be done with 1 cdj without even the need of using your hands to do it right. you can do it with your nose or eyeball to make it at least something.
it's just that simple really. i don't think that would qualify as live or anything. i mean the person is alive thats it.

maybe an example that we can hear ? or not.

          http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
Wierd shit happens :)
moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 12:22
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On 2013-11-25 02:25, daark wrote:

shifting the "chamber pitch" (or just pitch is enough) can be done with 1 cdj without even the need of using your hands to do it right. you can do it with your nose or eyeball to make it at least something.
it's just that simple really.





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On 2013-11-24 23:58, moki wrote:
no, live modulation and "live" effects on microtuning basis. the microtuning itself can be done before the live. [it is about preconfiguring] an instrument or a midi on microtuned scales.




why is it that the world in my eyes is so often far more complex than it seems to be for isratrance?
why do i need years for something that can be done with my nose and eyeballs
daark
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 14:40
Either its a misunderstanding or you just don't have the education.
I did not knew what chamber pitch means. So i read about it. I did not know what is microtuning so i looked it up aswell. Now i'm better at English Since tuning a instrument for me is nothing for me. Well i know when i was new i thought you got to be super proffesional to do it.           http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
Wierd shit happens :)
moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 15:13
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On 2013-11-25 14:40, daark wrote:
Either its a misunderstanding or you just don't have the education.







moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 15:18


pls click to enlarge. is there a trick with the nose for getting those things sound right?
moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 16:31
another general question: does actually a person, who is sure that things are getting done "with the nose or the eyeballs", really FAKE lives on purpose? this is just the way live is done for this person.

i do not think so. yes, the quality of production and music would be much different in the scene in general if more people would come to the idea that ready vsts, preconfigured pitch and modulation, pre-recorded midi output etc is NOT DONE with the nose and the eyeballs but it is a very difficult thing to do.

but at the end of the day, there is nothing we could do for more quality in the scene, becaus being an artist is not a job that is protected by law and based on qualified regulation like doctors for example. anyone can be that. imo not anyone should.

do you know the theory of 10000 hours practice for anyone who wants to be good in his field http://www.wisdomgroup.com/blog/10000-hours-of-practice/? the 10000 hours of beatles, the 10000 hours of bill gates, the time anyone needs to go through before starting? 10000 lives at home before doing it for others might not be that bad idea. anyway, no idea about psykovsky. i hope for him that he did not always do it that way.
moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 20:19
i went on further with this issue here
http://forum.isratrance.com/studio-one-and-melodyne/
may be it helps you understand better, what i meant.
minus
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 20:22
moki : some of the things u r talking about are indeed quite basic techniques and of no real relevance to producers. since you r just taking your first steps in production,you'll soon realise that there is much more to it, than just 'fancy words' , and some information/knowledge you picked off the internet. what you will learn is,making music is real easy (with the current tech).... but making good music is real hard,and takes time and effort, thru self learning,experimentation and practice. that means you will make lots of mistakes,learn from them,and move forward. you will learn there is no 'right way' of doing things,you have to find your own way,you cannot put heart,emotion into tracks, by learning from some forum or the net, you put emotion,when you feel that emotion while you work and your ability to convey those emotions sonically. so all this fancy smart talk leads to nothing, only thng that matters is the living art in your hands when you complete it. when you have gone thru the process of making the art with your own hands , only then can you speak. theories is for fools, action is real. maybe if you put ur thoughts in action, you might get all ur answers while u go thru the process.

back on topic : some of those 'live' vids were nice watching, liked the son kite 1, thats atleast a live setup! but all it is a well practiced live 'performance'.... what is the essence of a live gig i think is "IMPROVISATION" , to improvise then and there, to take cue's from the floor/crowd,, and react accordingly in the performance,, oki i can argue with myself that he is improvising, thru some analog synths, or drum machine, or so vst, or keyboard,, playing something live there n then,, for example the backbone of psy is the bassline,, can 1 see the movements of the floor, see how the ppl r moving,absorb the bounce on the floor and improvise a bassline there n then on the spot, and carry on , ofcourse it is,even tho the live setup is jus perfect,, i'd like to see more improvisation.
Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 20:31
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but at the end of the day, there is nothing we could do for more quality in the scene, becaus being an artist is not a job that is protected by law and based on qualified regulation like doctors for example. anyone can be that. imo not anyone should.



Why not (on both accounts)?

1) How does the lack of State licensing for artists lead to our inability to improve the quality of art? Make good music. Promote good music. Put good music into your DJ mixes. Finally, vote with your $$ and buy good music. No need for a licensing board (like in case of most professions, BTW). "The Invisible Hand"

2) Why is it that "not anyone should" be an artist? I think everybody is, to some degree, anyway.
Login
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 21:02
Other thing that maybe we are overlooking: psytrance is one of the more "produced" genres, meaning that the work in the studio is massive and it's not easy at all to improvise it. The amount of sound design involved to make it sound "right" would be impossible live.

The best "live" performance as The field, or Minilogue have music that is less complex, where you can improvise a bassline and it would fit in to the rest of the sounds.

          "The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 22:10
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when you have gone thru the process of making the art with your own hands , only then can you speak



you are so sure that i haven't gone through this process:). actually i rarely speak about something that i haven't tried myself (because things that i havent seen with my eyes, do not really exist for me).
the point for me is that i just prefer to go through the process alone, with my midi, with my own understanding of harmonics and music. playing for 10 hours on and on with no prerecorded midi is for me the best form of trance and recreation. is there an argument why i should not look for ways to do this better in the forums?
i am not a "trance artist" but i play music as a meditation and will always do it.

i see absolutely no sense to play it for others. see, how many of those people at the partys ever get to distinguish if the live improvisation is good and if the artist is playing with these and those channels live or just djing his tracks? almost nobody. party is not the place to play live. for whom???? why risk to make something wrong while improvising live if nobody will give a tribute to a good live performance anyway??

i only see sense in playing it WITH others. live improvisation with others who do the same. that is why i am constantly searching and trying to communicate. and if you tell me, i cannot speak before i go through the process, well i am in this process since long time - interrupt for some years from time to time, then come back to passion, but i have always been in the process. i would like to have the right to speak about it and ask questions .



moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2013 22:11
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On 2013-11-25 20:31, Maine Coon wrote:


2) Why is it that "not anyone should" be an artist? I think everybody is, to some degree, anyway.



yes, this is what i said too. everyone is an artist in some way. if an artist thinks that it is a good idea to stand for 4 minutes totally mute in front of the piano and do nothing, this is art too.
psykovsky is therefore not really faking. the word is not the right one. he is just a bad improvisor for those who care about it. those are probably very few people in isratrance and nobody else.
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