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Psykovsky Faking Live set at Lost Theory :(

Outolintu
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Posted : Nov 29, 2013 14:32
skazi seems to have no need to hear what they're playing as he turns both monitoring speakers on the stage to face the crowd           "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
moleqlarsuperstructure
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Posted : Nov 29, 2013 15:32
for some reason i think he turned the speaker to the front to actually hear what he is trying to play or smt lke that.           
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moki
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Posted : Feb 10, 2014 23:43
how was the event in israel in february?
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everything fine again?
J
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Posted : Feb 11, 2014 01:42
Osom Ritual in Brazil, on March 15th:

23:00 - PSYKOVSKY ( OSOM MUSIC/TANTRUMM REC. )

05:00 - OSOM ( OSOM MUSIC )

07:00 - KINDZADZA ( OSOM MUSIC )

11:00 - DESHI ( NOISE POISON / ALIC D )

dhollmusik

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Posted : Jun 17, 2014 06:41
Odd thread this, tho' only managed up to page 5. Disappointed in Ocelot's negative vibes, as he's a quality producer and should be above pettiness like this. And I thought Silent Horror regularly collaborates with Psykovsky?

Anyway, as some have said already, highly-psychedelic trance is not advisable to play live, as all those carefully-played frequencies, sweeps and production from the studio-recording may not be present. Also, playing live runs the big risk of messing up channel volumes, which can jar to say the least. Saying that, who can say for sure how live or not Psykovsky's sets are? They sure sound a lot different to his studio output.

But whichever way you look at it, I'd say the general rule of peak-time psy-sets is that the 'trance' of the dancefloor is more important than how 'live' someone is playing.


I used to get a bit miffed with producers using the "live" headline when all they did was look all intently-depressed staring at their screen and clicking the odd mouse-button from time-to-time while blatantly just playing a pre-mixed set of their songs...not naming names, you know who you are, haha . But even that doesn't bother me anymore if the sound is good.

Still...Psykovsky, Infected Mushroom, Astral Projection and a few others at least offer some visual energy for those that like to look upon the stage for inspiration when trancing.

Regarding proper live dance musik, I played live plenty of times: creating new beats on-the-fly with my RS7000 (midi-delay and clock-shift knobs say hi!), manually bringing in sounds, playing a synth keyboard, messing with rack FX controls. It was really great when it was great, but there was plenty of times when the 'trance' was broken because I messed up a track volume, or missed a beat, or played a bum note when I foolishly dreamt I was morphing into Rick Wright.


It's not easy playing live, even when playing the sort of psychedelic-techno I was doing, which is a little easier than psy-trance as the focus is less on frequencies & space, and more on rhythm & hypnotic drive. Plus there's all the hassle with the hardware, setting it up, hoping there's no weak links in the chain, then packing it all together again, all the while trying to not get in the way of the DJ who's on before and after your set.

I love it, tho'...and will love to play again once I've got some new material from juicy new hardware. But I fully understand why busy psy-trance producers don't, especially as much of their finished product is done on software. So those who offer a livelier stage presence than others are to be celebrated, not vilified. Just accept that the "live" wording doesn't mean so much when you see the billing*


*except for Juno Reactor who I'll see next month at Antaris


Peace!
dhollmusik

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Posted : Jun 17, 2014 07:40
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On 2013-11-02 11:32, Hex Osirus wrote:
Forgive me if i get a little technical I shall try to keep it simple....

Psykovsky is NOT faking his knob tweaking....

If ur expecting him to be synthesizing sounds and remixing tracks on the spot thats not the idea behind his "live" performance

He has pre made sets (he works incredibly hard in creating intricate beautiful stories for up to 12hours!!!)consisting of tracks split over 3-4 channels in cubase and those are sent outside into the mixer...He is then mostly playing with the EQ and Levels for each channel...sometimes he might play with a granular effect or such.....

Now altho that sounds like hes doing piss all...he is manipulating the dynamics of the sound coming out through the speakers in HUGE ways...At times He has all three channels playing at once...each occupying its own frequency spectrum ending up getting summed in the analogue domain out the master bus...

Now for the Production Geeks in here...you can thing of this as a trick to overcome the "mixing in the box "sound...

The old school boys were doing it way back in the day...a big reason for playing live through huge multi channel consoles...it makes the world of a difference in getting that larger than life sound...This is psykovsky's method for achieving that using standard dj limited equipment...

Anyway Vasily is playing with the frequencies and track levels non stop..He is making the music live and breathe....infact if he stops doing the "knob twiddling" the music will suddenly sound boring and lifeless...Infact if you try to talk to him while playing taking him away from his twiddling he is likely to get a little irritated...
He is INCREDIBLY dedicated...

This type of thing is not easy for a camera to pick up thats why on videos it sounds like hes doing nothing...when in fact hes making people trip out to his music in ways they could never do so just by chucking on his cd at home...

Few artists still play the way he can...literally for the ENTIRE duration of an overnight party....That is what trance music is about..that is what he is paid to do...and thats what his fans and psychedelic music enthusiasts come to experience...




Excellent post! Thanks for putting the thread right.
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Jun 17, 2014 10:18
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...At times He has all three channels playing at once...each occupying its own frequency spectrum ending up getting summed in the analogue domain out the master bus...

Now for the Production Geeks in here...you can thing of this as a trick to overcome the "mixing in the box "sound...

The old school boys were doing it way back in the day...a big reason for playing live through huge multi channel consoles...it makes the world of a difference in getting that larger than life sound...This is psykovsky's method for achieving that using standard dj limited equipment...



I have no interest in this type of music, just want to correct a fallacy.

Using 3 channels on a DJ mixer is not at all the same, nor does it come close to proper analog summing (and avoiding ANY digital summing when mixing down a track) that is done in the mixdown stage in the studio (or live when old Goa acts used 24-32 channel desks and mixed the much more "minimal" nature of earlier Goa trance tracks) where channels in a DAW are routed to busses in a way that there is NEVER two or more, channels mixed in the digital domain, in the same buss, but every buss has the signal of only one channel, at any time, routed out to an analogue summing mixer (or analogue desk) where the summing actually occurs.

3 channels, in a type of music with so many sounds playing at the same time, are way too few. But of course these tracks could have been mixed using an analog 8+ channel (or multiples) summing device, in the studio.

A kick where its tail slightly plays with the first bass note, a snare and a bassline alone, need 3 tracks in order to say they where summed in the analogue domain...then there is all the extra stuff that happens in a typical, busy, psy-trance track.


          
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 17, 2014 15:51
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On 2014-06-17 06:41, dhollmusik wrote:
But whichever way you look at it, I'd say the general rule of peak-time psy-sets is that the 'trance' of the dancefloor is more important than how 'live' someone is playing.


If it's not important how 'live' someone is playing, then promoters should not put 'live' after acts' names. Simple, no?

The word 'live' carries a kudos that is totally unjustified in the vast majority of cases I'm aware of.
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dhollmusik

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Posted : Jun 17, 2014 21:41
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On 2014-06-17 15:51, Colin OOOD wrote:

If it's not important how 'live' someone is playing, then promoters should not put 'live' after acts' names. Simple, no?

The word 'live' carries a kudos that is totally unjustified in the vast majority of cases I'm aware of.




I agree with you. But it is what it is.

If what Hex is saying is true, then Psykovsky is not playing live as we know it, but he is offering a unique 'live' experience because:

1) he's prepared a long unique set for the gig (which he probably repeats if you see him more than once a year)

2) he's twiddling those knobs to shape the dynamics in real-time, creating atmospheres and movement that wouldn't be there had he just pressed "play".

3) his visual ticks add to the eccentricity of the music.


In today's 'live' EDM climate, Psykovsky is arguably doing more than most in terms of a 'live' experience.
ATA

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Posted : Jun 18, 2014 00:22
There should be "dead" acts where zombies and ghosts and stuff blast at a party. Woooooaoooaaoahhhhooo damn this spooky ass motherfucker got some killer beats!!
OzMike
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Posted : Jun 18, 2014 08:30
Uh hate to say it but you could just simply avoid his gigs and music? Boycotting the event sends a stronger message. I pay money actually to hear said artist play music, what they do on the stage doesn't bother me at all. When I saw Aphex Twin "live" it ended up being a dj set. He sat tucked inside a box covered in screens and visuals, god only knows if it was actually him. But the mix was great, heard some great time and it flowed well. The visuals were fun using captions of the crowd in real time. I paid for unique music and a unique time and I got both.

The "live" thing has been discussed so much in this and the entire EDM scene so much it's ridiculous. Just enjoy the music. Or if you don't the avoid said music. It's not hard.

I haven't listened to any full on, prog or twilight in over a decade. I don't follow discussions on it and I don't go to gigs of this music. It no longer bothers me, except when friends play music like Neelix etc. Usually we compromise by switching to prog house which is much better.           Revisiting the past.
insane
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Posted : Jun 21, 2014 12:29
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On 2014-06-17 06:41, dhollmusik wrote:
Odd thread this, tho' only managed up to page 5. Disappointed in Ocelot's negative vibes, as he's a quality producer and should be above pettiness like this. And I thought Silent Horror regularly collaborates



Yes, collaborated once.
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dhollmusik

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Posted : Jun 23, 2014 23:53
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On 2014-06-21 12:29, insane wrote:
Yes, collaborated once.
I've never tried to see how technically correct he is behind the decks, cause his music was what I came to listen at his gigs, and I've had a blast in the past still listen to his old gems and thank him for it.



nice one for replying, mate. How do you play live? I've enjoyed pretty much every track I've heard from you, tho' I think I sometimes get you and Horror Place mixed up



Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 13:57
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On 2014-06-17 21:41, dhollmusik wrote:
Quote:

On 2014-06-17 15:51, Colin OOOD wrote:

If it's not important how 'live' someone is playing, then promoters should not put 'live' after acts' names. Simple, no?

The word 'live' carries a kudos that is totally unjustified in the vast majority of cases I'm aware of.




I agree with you. But it is what it is.


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Posted : Jun 30, 2014 08:57
Some people here have a serious lack of knowledge, are blind, or stupid...

2:37 http://youtu.be/DEG8aWUfnRA?t=2m37s Right before the jump.

Is he "shaping dynamics in real-time"? when he's twiddling knobs on OFF faders/channels?

NO! That is called: insulting the audience!!!



I'm a big fan of Psykovsky but we don't have to be afraid to use the correct words.

If faking an Act is insulting the audience, I find it even more insulting the people who say he's doing something... you guys really have something left on your brain to not be seeing the all picture.

It's a fake act, everyone (should) know that and I'm not against that, IF it is a HONEST FAKE ACT
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