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Psy Trance in Greece?--Already DEAD
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macmarios
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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 09:17
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Hi to all.I start this post to see others oppinion.I support parties from 1991.In 1995 the psy trance culture came to Greece.A massive movement with magical culture.We are now in 2007 and what I see? The scene is DEAD.Most of you will say the opposite.But lets count the facts.First of all the prices on parties.30 euros for example...it's 10000 drachmas.For what? If you go to London let's say a party with Dino Psaras who is an old and respected artist you pay 10 to 15 euros maximum.I met a lot of artists (I had involved myself to parties with some of organisers who started lets say the scene in Greece).The artists when they come to Greece they make good money here.Parasense? Thanks to Greeks they became super stars and from 300 euros Alex takes 2000 for a live set.
The quality of the events? Hmmm here we have a lot to say.For the money that you pay you go to a dirty place with a bad sound quality and decoration from the old centuries.Wake up guys the fluo flags are dead 5 years ago.Some a people that they named them selves as video artists they put the some patterns of visuals or the visuals of windows media player and here we are...we making visuals hahahahaha!
The selection of artist that some people make I can't say nothing.
I see the quality.Goa Gil said that :"You pay me a good money to play at you and I play music from Greek artists that they didn't play here!!!!" -Can you imagine my friends.I respect tottaly and I mean it TOTTALY the Greek guys who make music like Stranger,Kulu,Orestis,Wizzy noise and Claw.For their style they represent Greece in the world.Well Done because I know that to make trance is not just I buy Mac or PC with a sound card and Virus synths.Its hours of breaking your imagination and feelings.Its hard to make music and especially trance.But...quality parties? Not anymore.
You want quality artists let me name some:
Sun Project,Xenomorph,Etnica,Man Made Man,Dino Psaras,Wizzy Noise and a lot more that they dont come to my brain now.These people are true artist.Hey promoters why you dont bring them?
You make a party with 30 euros? So bring at last a quality artist and if not then support the Greeks who make a good job and put an admission like 10 euros and everybody will be ok.You will take your money the people will come and finaly we will see again events with 1500 or more people.Unite all the promoters and make something together for the good of the scene and for the people that they give their money.But that is an UTOPIA.Because psy trance culture is fading away.The scenes dies and no one admit it.The Russians you know what they say?Why to give money to european producer when we have ours?Of caurse they supporting their artists that they play for free and the event is free and they gather minimum 2000 people every time.I went to KAZANTIP festival in 2005 with 10 music stages covering from trance to drum'n'bass.25 days festival on the beach with 50 euros all the days !!!!! For one day is 5!!!!!!!!!! and most of artists play for free there.And believe me is the biggest festival in Europe and it happens 12 years in Ukraine.
And here? Samothraki for 5 days with 100 to 130 euros ticket.The Steal of the Century.I dont want to give negative vibes and sorry if I say these things but Trance in Greece is dead.If something will change them probably we have a future.If not then you will remember my words.
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macmarios
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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 09:28
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As for Greek artists support and cheap admission I respect Plasmatica Group for these.Respect to you Absolute Zero even if you didn't say good words for a DJ that is very old (he is a behind from the scene hero a lot years ago-believe me) that he was playing on the SuperFM.I dont know if its true this-hope not-but I learned it from others inside the superFM,but because I dont confirmed so I dont have oppinion about this because I dont know the truth.Anyway Plasmatica keep this good way of thinking how to make events.Respect!
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 19:10
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Correct me if i am wrong but i think that you are judging whats going on all around the country by the things that you see in your city Thesaloniki and thats preety unfair if you ask me for people that organise events in other cities all around Greece and especially in the capital city of Athens ofcourse.
By the way most of the quality names that you mentioned visit Athens on a very regular basis like Dino Psaras,Etnica and Wizzy Noise for example and even Xenomorph and Sun Project have appeared here in recent past,just because noone books these people in your city Thesaloniki this doesnt mean that other cities dont work closely with these people.Dino and Max must know Athens better than we do LOL
Oh and you mentioned something about Kazantip festival in Ukraine being one of the biggest festivals in Europe?Sorry mate but i have never ever heard of this festival and with a minimum attendance of 2000 people every time it sounds not to big to me.Comparing this event to Samothraki (and especially the second one which has to be one of the biggest and best organised trance festivals ever from what everyone says) is at least funny in my humble opinion.
Anyway big discussion but please dont judge everything from what you see in your city.
P.S And please dont compare UK prices with Greek prices in parties,John Digweed and Paul Oakenfold charge 10 euros to play in UK and they charge 50 euros to play in Greece (they have admitted it along with other artists like James Holden in public) and the same applies ofcourse with the majority of psy trance artists plus i dont need to mention the size of UK comparing to our small country and the huge dance music culture of that country in contrast with the tiny numbers of our country which still listens to Anna Vissi and Foivos.
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diskonekt
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Posted : Feb 24, 2007 21:40
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So ... when's the funeral ?
Peace, Love, Death metal |
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Noosphere
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Okay so because i support parties from old times, since 1994 i have a major personal opinion to all this "matter" and i would like to set my opinion. First of all Macmarios...we are at 2007 as u said and u remembered to post a subject like this at 2007??? Mate, the pure psy trance music and i will explain later why i say "pure", is dead for year now. Its dead till 2001. 6 years have passed till this moment. I say "pure" because we have to separate the true psy trance music from the "shit" and from styles that supposed to be psy trance and they are not at all. As u said, yes it needs many hours to make psy trance music and not just a software and some synths plugings.But u need way more that this. U need music knoweledge, u need hardware, u need pation and u need lots of inspiration and method together with lot of experience in order to compose sth really mature or true. The most of the old repsectives artists and beleive me i can name lot of them (Shakta, Hallucinogen, Tristan, Manmademan, O.o.o.d,Chi-a.d., dimension 5 , doof,Johann bley,Mos,Oforia, Sandman and so many more..) used to be real music artists, playing in music bands or at clubs for years before they entered the psy trance music scene and started producing or mixing psy trance. They were pionners also that started the whole psy trance music culture, like Kode Iv,Astral Projecion,Eternal Basement, Chakra,Etnica,X-dream and others.. If u see the music background of the new artists (they call themselves artists) of the most now new artists (90%), u will see that none of them has music knoweldge, neither pation neither a method to create true psy trance music. The most of them they just copy paste the same patterns, with the same kicks, same basslines and same effects from different artists , they keep putting in them in the sequencer until they reach 7-8 minutes duration and they call this psy trance track.This is a big joke actully for people who havent heard to real psy trance.The most of the musics that are played now in clubs and that supposed to be psy trance are not at all. They do not have trance inside at all. The most are psy minimal, psy progressive, psy techno and at last the worst of all by my opinion, the psy dark music.And u put this "psy" in front of every category because u can say that only because they use basslines, kicks and some psy effects. Pfff...if u suppose to make dark psy music because u entered a dark fx from a synth and a bassline and u keep using the same pattern and kick at the whole track then u are way out of the psy trance category.At old days a flying rhino cd was released and we still are hearing to it. Because it was a total blast of inspiration and pure psy trance music created by real artists with real hardware. Now in our days, if 100 cds are released in a month,people who know to hear to quality psy trance music will agree that even not the 10% is good and music at all. The most are imitations of each other with same loops and fxs. For example the 80% of full on tracks are totaly the same. They change a litle bit the kicks and the stops. Okay i think that most of u understood what i said till now. Now lets go to the "quality names". Quality is on what? Music production upon inspiration...?music production upon sound mastering..upon number of releases? Quality artists are the ones who are real artists, musicians and dont release one track every 1 minute like Gms. Who have from the best sound enginneering , but they are still crap big time. They used to be good for some time at old years by my opinion. And u said Psaras. Dino Psaras. So u think that Dinos is creating quality music these days? ha! let me lough in chinese first! These are 1 hour tracks for dinos. The most he makes now on. When he was on Cydonia project or at Tortured Brain project all by hiself he was producing from the best psy trance musics. Sound quality , inspiration , together with lots of pation and method. Now there is no method. The most put some groovy basslines and sounds in order to be rythmic and have a beat and thats all. This is psy trance? pfffffff if this is psy trance then i was hearing to rock n roll all these years  The thing is that that are very few real artists around with the mood to creare real beaming up psy trance. And i say mood because they are still old artists around who make totaly shit music,just for the money. Its better to stop or change your project name in order to remember yourself as a real psy trance musician than to totaly himulate your project name and make new people beleive that in old days u were producing shit like that. Most of us , see good artists around, and good musics , when they dont exist because we compare the "one eyed" with the "totaly blind" ones.
And yes i know most dont want to hear all the time to the old good ones psy trance tracks, because they are bored of the them or they like to move on. But this is not a step to the future its a step back to stone age. Only when it comes to sound enginnering we are at the future and not when we talk about music composing.
And i would to say a little bit about clubs and foreign countries and festivals.Macmarios, Uk and especially London, was the major base of psy trance culture and music. They have and had all the major psy trance labels, some of them cloded because of how the thing turned, and they prefered to keep the good memories that to destroy everything is the name of the money. When there is no progress then its better to create or make sth else.Some labels still try and release some good trakcs some times though.U cant expect to pay 10 euros in every event. Mate in Alsos, if u remember we used to pay 5000 draxmas or 3000 thousand at the Sundays when it was 1996-1998 and u expect almost 10 years later that the currency has changed to pay 10 euros? this is hilarious! lol! And at Uk as Detox said its a much bigger country with a much better economy and with clubs that most times support big capacity of people and not just 500 people capacity and that hardly...so be realistic and dont dream on because this aint gonna happen. Now lets see about festicals. Yes its true that the second of Samothraki was very godo at organization and one of the biggest. Who said it the best trance festival organized? Okay i am Greek too but dont destroy everything mate. It has nothing to do with Boom or Voov festival. Its not even the 10% in compare with them when it comes to organization section. At boom 2000 i was walking for 1 km , among dozens of shops dealing with every kind. I was relaxing at a huge tent afterhours. I had so many things to do. As evereyone had. Samothraki yes it had the see and this is a big advantage. But where did u see organization except the sound and decoaration? And at decoration...xm i dont want to say much. Just give a look at Boom festivals...or at any other very big festivals and then talk me about organization... Also what to do with the organization when it is slight better from the Samothraki 2001 and the music is ten levels down? The music that were played at Samothraki 2001 wont ever be played again at a festival. So many unbelevable lives and sets from so many truly respectable artists is so rare to see again. Samothraki 2002 was totaly fucked up in the section, totaly fucked up and crap music. So many good artists but so much bad music...They were a few who played good, like Prometheus, like Shakta, like Tristan.
And one last thing about clubs, there is no big nice club now on as i see to make a very good event , the most are some "holes" with low ceiling and bad sound. And yes then its unneceptable to pay and 20 euros for that ...eleos diladi!
Just remember when u never had two eyes , then u dont know how it is to see with two eyes,and when u say to a "one eyed" that he sees good because he sees sth in compare with he blind ones then u are way out of reality and this is every ones fault.Some of us just stop to hear it because it turned up to shit music and some others just got bored or totaly burned up or made families and had more serious things to do in their lives and this goes for the artists too. |
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movek
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Posted : Feb 25, 2007 03:38
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what i believe
there was psychedelic music thousands years before trance
psychedelic music excist nowdays
it 'll be also after you and me leave our psysical bodies my friends
music is a gift of the olympious gods to the people
just to make them forget their trouble and the difficults of life
and as a gift of the gods is beautiful and eternal...
to the point
music was ..is and will be psychedelic
the people are the one that change throught the years ..
BUT
the spirit which is eternal
finds ways to touch people
one way was the pure psychedelic trance u said
before that it was rock festivals full of flower smiley boys and girls
in a few years maybe it will bw something differend
we must have our eyes and minds open
to feel it
it isn't good to cry about the past
it is good to smile for the future
be well
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Goacore
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and even Xenomorph and Sun Project have appeared here in recent past,just because noone books these people in your city Thesaloniki this doesnt mean that other cities dont work closely with these people
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Detox just a reminder for you :
sun project live 1998 at Mylos club thessaloniki
xenomorph live at ivanofeio thessaloniki 2001.
u better talk for holymen, suki, and cherouvim ..this is yr fav style and we know that. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 25, 2007 15:11
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Goacore good thing you remind us that Sun Project played live in Thesaloniki 9 years ago and Xenomorph also played there something like 7 years ago,i suppose someone will bring them over again in something like 15 years from now right?I guess all the fans of Xenomorph and Sun Project are happy with these news....
By the way i dont understand why you speak ironic about my music past since i never tried to hide anything neither i am ashamed of anything concerning my music past.
I listened before many years both Cherouvim and Holymen and really enjoyed them just like i was listening 2 Unlimited and Michael Jackson and Ace Of Base before them just like i listened to a lot of psy trance after them and just like i am listening to mostly ambient (Brian Eno,Pete Namlook and stuff) and pop music (Bjork,Jamiroquai,Depeche Mode and a lot of the 80's stuff) and commercial dance music (Tiesto and Nick Warren stuff) in our days.
People evolve and explore different kinds of music throught their lives,i dont know if and how much ashamed should i be about that.
P.S I aggree with the majority of what Noosphere said though not all of it though,for example i very much like Dino Psaras music in our days although it may sound cheesy to some,for me its great music.
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antiteisto
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****** this is one reason*******
Hi this is my 1st post in Isratrance and I wanted to say my story as I see it
Yesterday I went to ORION party which
was my 1st party in Athens after 2 years
Which I was studing in UK
1 The sound was bad it droped all the
time and stoped 2 times
Which made me not hear ORION and
leave the club
I payed 20 euro to stay in the club
with 200 people which were
Every were steping on me like
kangaroos.
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2 Deco in U.K is all the Club with
String Art- Banners- Visuals
Here I saw 1 banner with 1 black
light
Realy a joke to trance parties.
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3 Drinks were so expencive for a club
that holds 200 people
I realy buy 2 drinks and
had
no money for more
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4 Security were not friendly they
crabed me when I was
sitting out side
Smoking a normal cigarette and
realy wanted to fuck me up
Cose it looked to them like I was
smoking some thing else
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So the truth is this party was a true crap one
Bringing such good names for these shit hole clubs
Realy what can any 1 say.
(Tipical Greece)
Go and leave in London if u like to party.
My advise to u
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Feb 25, 2007 16:36
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i think some of you people need to get your head straight n listen to the truth..
people who have been abroad know that this iz all just an expensive substitute of trance parties..
and i am talkin about the "BIG" events !
i dont expect much from smaller parties, i just wanna go there and have a good time, but when you are making all of us pay expensive concert money for a Live Psy performance - I fuken expect something m8s!!
i know all about how complicated organizing a good event can be and all that.. dont wanna hear about it.
the thing iz that you fool the newbies, but you should never expect to fool thoze who know better 
and lets forget about abroad for a second..
ALSOS WAZ FUKIN 15 YEARZ AGO FOR GODZ SAKE! and its imagination you cant even reach in your dreamz..
Aouch!.. i know.. but its the truth 
good one macmario, i am with you on this one
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Talpa-Aobn
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To the man that started the topic: Even if I don't attend to parties as much as u and the others I can't do nothing but tottaly agree with u,Psy Trance IS dead in Greece and ESPECIALLY in Athens,all the parties here are done just for the money making.But the main reason of the PsyTrance cultures' dissapearance(at least by my opinion)is that there is no union by the people,half of them are just passing by 'cause the wind blew them in and the others just have a looooot of evil vibes in them,(i hate 2 use the word vibes but I don't know how 2 say it otherwise)different groups have been formed and all there is in a party now is a lot of gossip(u might fart once and the whole party knows it)maybe it's the drugs i don't know... Anyway I'm sorry if I have offended anybody but that's just the way it is,and it's sad.....
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virava
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yeah, this is the fact..
also, this music got in the clubs so it became a part of "the people of the night" so it became rotten.
Drugs and Money...
but i am sure that with our support or non support somewhere we can affect the scene.
the scene is us and if it is rotten this means that we are too (a winning percentage)
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AbsolutZero(D.V.M.)
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As for Greek artists support and cheap admission I respect Plasmatica Group for these.Respect to you Absolute Zero even if you didn't say good words for a DJ that is very old (he is a behind from the scene hero a lot years ago-believe me) that he was playing on the SuperFM.I dont know if its true this-hope not-but I learned it from others inside the superFM,but because I dont confirmed so I dont have oppinion about this because I dont know the truth.Anyway Plasmatica keep this good way of thinking how to make events.Respect!
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First i want to thank you about the good words for me and my group.
but i don't know about how dj you speak,anyway i'll want to say that i respect all the old djs of my city and that i have put some of them to play in my parties from time to time (ex.Van N,Lory,Doc,TimXtreme etc.)
but anyway the radio arvila its all over 
see you around
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Talpa-Aobn
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On 2007-02-25 16:03, antiteisto wrote:
****** this is one reason*******
Hi this is my 1st post in Isratrance and I wanted to say my story as I see it
Yesterday I went to ORION party which
was my 1st party in Athens after 2 years
Which I was studing in UK
1 The sound was bad it droped all the
time and stoped 2 times
Which made me not hear ORION and
leave the club
I payed 20 euro to stay in the club
with 200 people which were
Every were steping on me like
kangaroos.
***************************
2 Deco in U.K is all the Club with
String Art- Banners- Visuals
Here I saw 1 banner with 1 black
light
Realy a joke to trance parties.
********************************
3 Drinks were so expencive for a club
that holds 200 people
I realy buy 2 drinks and
had
no money for more
*********************************
4 Security were not friendly they
crabed me when I was
sitting out side
Smoking a normal cigarette and
realy wanted to fuck me up
Cose it looked to them like I was
smoking some thing else
***********************************
So the truth is this party was a true crap one
Bringing such good names for these shit hole clubs
Realy what can any 1 say.
(Tipical Greece)
Go and leave in London if u like to party.
My advise to u
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Heh man I'm really sorry for you to have expereinced that shit...I fortunately didn't go there 'cause i was the Other night in Underworld where Menog and Psychoz played(not even worth typing about it if u know what I mean)....Who knows maybe it's true that we must go and live abroad 2 see a REAL PsyTrance party...
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