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*** POLICE BRUTALITY CAUSED DEATH ON MUSIC FESTIVAL CZECHTEK***
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traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:06
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1. cutting the power supply Dunno if this happened
2. turn off the music by telling the DJs to stop (ask GuyShanti, he'd tell you these things work  )Happened 20 min after the festie began
3. closing the area with the people in it, but not forcing them to leave. i agree
Things the police did wrong from what I saw on the videos
1. send in a huge force. if the people got violent after the first raid i think this was the only option
2. use tear gas, hoses, etc. diasgree, tear gas doesn't do any permanent physical harm.. however it does make people more co-operative
3. send people that aren't that "clear minded" (be it alcohol or other stuff) on the roads. agree
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traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:07
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On 2005-08-03 15:03, karnaf wrote:
doesn't fit the videos - you can clearly see people dance when the cops come. were they dancing with no music???
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That was the first small raid hours before the big one I assume
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:10
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On 2005-08-03 15:03, traveller wrote:
It's common sense..
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Dear Traveller,
unfortunately in real life there is NO common sense !
I repeat to you, the war in Iraq is a common sense that is happening for Business (oil, reconstruction...etc..) reasons....but unfortunately is taking place !
So, don't try to proove that you are correct or not....just forget about it ! Everybody here is different and has a different view....What I am trying to tell you is to not try to find any single excuse to proove to the rest of the community that you are correct.....
I am sure you are enough mature to understand this point....
regards
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traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:16
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BTW when was the festival location revealed?
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eyerina
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:43
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Mr Havel has been asked to mediate between organisers of the techno party and the government. He's already held talks this morning with Interior Minister Frantisek Bublan.
CzechTek have so far refused the offer of dialogue |
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hermit
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:43
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On 2005-08-03 10:14, traveller wrote:
Proves nothing. They could all have the tags on the helmets as well..
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um... so whats your point? have you read the first post or comments of cymoon and tv? cos what they wrote all happened and its TRUE while you on the other hand are only speculating over it... |
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traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:52
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On 2005-08-03 15:43, hermit wrote:
um... so whats your point? have you read the first post or comments of cymoon and tv? cos what they wrote all happened and its TRUE while you on the other hand are only speculating over it...
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How on Earth can you not get it? They all have tags on the helmets. So what they wrote is not true, it's a LIE ..this part atleast
Note Karnaf maybe my high # of posts in this thread has something to do with the fact that I have to answer like everyone personally explaining the same thing again and again.
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Ankur
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 15:54
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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 17:32
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this issue is far too important to be locked... we think it will be a shame not to have it be discussed here... saying that, any offtopic posts from this point on will be deleted.
please lets stay focused.
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Oran
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 17:40
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On 2005-08-03 17:32, Surrender wrote:
this issue is far too important to be locked...
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agree with surrender here...
please,no more politics/offtopics/and other personal insults.
thanks.
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 18:03
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nice one guys this issue is far too important to be locked !
So here we go again I open this topic yesterday, READ before you comment please ...
http://www.expats.cz/prague/t-68695.html
Also go to:
http://www.llp.cz/eng/index.php?art=show&id=1116592363
League of Human Rights condemns illegal police intervention against CzechTek
31.07.2005 | and calls for the immediate resignation of Interior Minister Bublan
On the basis of information from news reports and participants in the event at Mlýnec pod Přimdou in Western Bohemia, the League of Human Rights must express its condemnation of the brutal police intervention there.
The police have encroached upon rights guaranteed to all by the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Basic Freedoms (1) in a manner which is completely unacceptable for a democratic state:
1. Without any legal justification, the police restricted the freedom of movement of persons who were peacefully in transit on the public roads.
2. The police as an agent of public authority illegally and brutally infringed upon the private contract between the lessor of the property and the organizers of the dance party. By so doing, the police made it impossible for the purpose of the lease to be achieved and thereby caused damages to both contractual parties.
3. By erecting an illegal barrier to the lawfully leased property, the police artificially escalated the situation. This resulted in conflict which could otherwise have been avoided.
4. The police used completely inappropriate methods, given the situation, and during the intervention injured several dozen people.
In contrast to the organizers of the event, who leased the property in good faith as a result of last year’s problems, thereby demonstrating their desire to meet the legal requirements, the police decided to place themselves above the law for reasons which are neither understandable nor acceptable. Under the rule of law the police may not presume that participants of a private event are going to behave illegally.
The League of Human Rights calls upon Interior Minister František Bublan to recognize his responsibility for the completely inappropriate and illegal intervention committed by the police and to immediately resign.
The League further demands that all police officers responsible for this illegal intervention be held accountable and their victims compensated. The League recommends all victims of police brutality to contact other witnesses as soon as possible, to have any injuries examined by a doctor and a medical report issued. Victims of this illegal police intervention who want to file criminal charges against the police may contact the League lawyers on +420 608 719 535 or by e-mail at brno@llp.cz.
For further information, please contact:
Mgr. Jiří Kopal, lawyer, League of Human Rights
Mobile phone: +420 608 719 535
League of Human Rights - Liga lidských práv
Bratislavská 31
602 00 Brno
Tel.: +420 545 210 446
E-mail: brno@llp.cz
***1: A democratic state under the rule of law, as well as the text of the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Basic Freedoms, part of the Czech Constitution, are based on the primacy of the citizen over the state. The League considers the police to have violated the following articles of the Charter: Art. 2 (2) states that “State authority may be asserted only in cases and within the bounds provided for by law and only in the manner prescribed by law.“ Art. 2 (3) states that “Everyone may do that which is not prohibited by law; and nobody may be compelled to do that which is not imposed upon him by law.” According to Art. 3 (3), “Nobody may be caused detriment to her rights merely for asserting her fundamental rights and basic freedoms.” According to Art. 7 (1), “The inviolability of the person and of her private life is guaranteed. They may be limited only in cases provided for by law.” Art. 7 (2) states that, “No one may be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.” Art. 10 (2) states that, “Everyone has the right to be protected from any unauthorized intrusion into her private (…) life.” Art. 11 (4) states that, “(…) mandatory limitation upon property rights is permitted in the public interest, on the basis of law, and for compensation” (all three stated conditions must be met); and Art. 14 (1) states that “The liberty of movement (…) is guaranteed.”
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 18:13
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Is something more to be discussed regarding this topic?
As you can all see, everybody has his/her own believes and is not open to "learn" something new....
It is useless to complain over here that the police did a good or bad job. What happent in czechtek should make us think more carefully about the future "psy" festivals.....
- Do we still want to go in festivals full of drugs? (me NOT!)
- Do we still want to argue and fight all the time we the authorities? (me NOT!)
- Do we really want to go to festivals to have some good time? (me YES!)
There are a lot of things that everybody has to consider from now on before attending a festival. And that should change our attitude towards everything and everybody !
best regards
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tv@oxygen
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 18:43
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Everyone interested pls have a look here..http://www.policejnistat.cz/index.php
this is the central website about what is going on.
They are collecting all materials from the party/attack so u can make your own opininion about that.
There is already a section in english, so thats why i am postin it here...
just click on the swicth to english button.
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 20:09
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hermit
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 21:35
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