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*** POLICE BRUTALITY CAUSED DEATH ON MUSIC FESTIVAL CZECHTEK***

traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 11:08
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On 2005-08-03 10:27, stompa wrote:
IT DOES prove one thing: they are not doing their job correctly cause you should as a cop
have your tags both on the helmets and your uniform........



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traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 11:10
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On 2005-08-03 10:27, Technognome wrote:

But the helmet numbers are not the same as the police ID numbers.

I am quite sure you are correct - all the helmets seem to have numbers on - however is there a list of which officer has which helmet?

And the big question will that list ever be found?

My guess is if the list ever did exist it will have been conviniently 'lost' as so often happens on these occasions.

Traveller - Got any comments on the video link posted where the policeman repeatedly punches the partygoer pinned on the ground?

PHLUR



Can't watch the video at work. What goes for the list getting lost. Wouldn't suprise me a bit. Eastern Europe is very 3rd worldish in things like this..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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karnaf
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 11:38


Have you guys noticed how much server space you've wasted on the futile and irrelevant discussion whether the cops had their IDs or not????

who gives a freaking fuck about that? does it matter for anything other then this argument? Aren't we missing the bigger point of this topic which is - police violence against festival goers???

pfffff.

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HandA
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 11:41
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On 2005-08-03 11:38, karnaf wrote:


Have you guys noticed how much server space you've wasted on the futile and irrelevant discussion whether the cops had their IDs or not????

who gives a freaking fuck about that? does it matter for anything other then this argument? Aren't we missing the bigger point of this topic which is - police violence against festival goers???

pfffff.






But you do the same. As 99% here you also only focus on the Police. Yes they did not handle the situation very well and yes they was too brutal. I agree 100%. But What about looking at the incident with a bit more uncolored glasses and also look at what the party people did wrong and not look at things so black & white as most do here?
traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 11:48
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On 2005-08-03 11:38, karnaf wrote:


Have you guys noticed how much server space you've wasted on the futile and irrelevant discussion whether the cops had their IDs or not????

who gives a freaking fuck about that? does it matter for anything other then this argument? Aren't we missing the bigger point of this topic which is - police violence against festival goers???

pfffff.






Just to point out that all that supposedly took place didn't in reality. It sad that when it comes down to things like this most people seem to loose their intelligence and just join the crowd and start bashing police believing absolutely everything they're told..
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karnaf
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 11:56
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On 2005-08-03 11:41, HandA wrote:
But you do the same. As 99% here you also only focus on the Police. Yes they did not handle the situation very well and yes they was too brutal. I agree 100%. But What about looking at the incident with a bit more uncolored glasses and also look at what the party people did wrong and not look at things so black & white as most do here?


I guess you haven't read the letter I wrote to the Czech representatives if you say that.


and my point was to show you guys how much this discussion has diverted from it's main issue - i.e. what happened at the festival to the futile sub-issue of whether or not the cops had their IDs... which is about as interesting and important as 'what did the cops had for breakfast that morning'.

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HandA
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 12:02
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On 2005-08-03 11:56, karnaf wrote:
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On 2005-08-03 11:41, HandA wrote:
But you do the same. As 99% here you also only focus on the Police. Yes they did not handle the situation very well and yes they was too brutal. I agree 100%. But What about looking at the incident with a bit more uncolored glasses and also look at what the party people did wrong and not look at things so black & white as most do here?


I guess you haven't read the letter I wrote to the Czech representatives if you say that.


and my point was to show you guys how much this discussion has diverted from it's main issue - i.e. what happened at the festival to the futile sub-issue of whether or not the cops had their IDs... which is about as interesting and important as 'what did the cops had for breakfast that morning'.






The letter got nothing to do with what you say here about the ID debate And when was debating details of the incident ever wrong? Isen't a debate actually about details and not just to sit and nod and agree with everyone around here and say that the Police are oh so bad and the party goers are oh so good?

And it's indeed improtant if the Police did not or did have ID tags. You opinion about how we should debate is a bit weird. No offense.

To sum it up. Nothing in this debate has been diverted from the original topic. Not by an inch. It's all connected and valid to debate.
traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 12:22
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On 2005-08-03 11:56, karnaf wrote:
and my point was to show you guys how much this discussion has diverted from it's main issue - i.e. what happened at the festival to the futile sub-issue of whether or not the cops had their IDs... which is about as interesting and important as 'what did the cops had for breakfast that morning'.




Re-read my previous post. And also Handa's one above.           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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karnaf
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 12:51

you know what? since the two of you already monopolized this thread, here's a pop-quiz: can each of you tell me what he thinks the subject of this thread is? what is it about? maybe then I can go and offtopic the zillion posts here that are unrelated to the subject....



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HandA
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 12:56
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On 2005-08-03 12:51, karnaf wrote:

you know what? since the two of you already monopolized this thread, here's a pop-quiz: can each of you tell me what he thinks the subject of this thread is? what is it about? maybe then I can go and offtopic the zillion posts here that are unrelated to the subject....








What is that for an answer and accusation? So we now monopolised the thread because we dont agree with you and other people? Just because you think differnt than us and think that we went away from the topic (as you do tend to think some times when you dont agree with people) is not an excuse for you to accuse us of anything. Moderator or not you got no right to tell us not to debate what we find important regarding the incident in the Czech Republic as long as we are polite and do not offend anyone. And I doubt you will be able to find anywhere where traveller or myself went off topic or offended anyone.

I am sorry of you see my answer her as rude. That's not my intention. But i do think we did nothing wrong at all in this debate.
traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 13:08
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On 2005-08-03 12:51, karnaf wrote:

you know what? since the two of you already monopolized this thread, here's a pop-quiz: can each of you tell me what he thinks the subject of this thread is? what is it about? maybe then I can go and offtopic the zillion posts here that are unrelated to the subject....








I think that's a little childish answer and the only offtopic stamp should go for your own post. It's beyond me how you think that it doesn't matter. Since we clearly proved that the original post was atleast partly lying and also it seems now that the death was a lie too one can only question if even half to it is true. Or should we just join the blind crowd of fools and blame the police for things that might not have (and clearly atleast partly didn't) even taken place?
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bako


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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 13:28

Even those who defend police action confirms the death

http://www.praguemonitor.com/ctk/?id=20050802F01257
HandA
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 13:33
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On 2005-08-03 13:28, bako wrote:

Even those who defend police action confirms the death

http://www.praguemonitor.com/ctk/?id=20050802F01257



Quote from your link:

"We deeply regret the damage, injuries and even death [of a techno fan who was knocked down probably by a passing lorry] which occurred during the police action"


So was the Lorry a Police Lorry or a passing by private Lorry? It does make a huge difference.

If it was the Polices Lorry then they should be held responsible for the dead. But still it's not even been told who's responsible or if it was a private person driving by. So until it's confirmed that it was the Police that killed that person then all is just speculations.

Btw interesting link that do show other stories to the "truth"
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 13:43
these are not speculations...

even if those officers had their id tags on (which are not so obvious for some reason. for me all of them just look plain balck), still they did not have to be rude to people who were on the field for whatever reason and in whatever state of mind. and of course they were not supposed to throw stuff into people's cars...

the death is part of the after-effect caused by panic which was caused by rude police intrusion. so even if the lorry doesnt belong to police, the whole situaiton is tied into one. IMHO
traveller
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 13:55
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On 2005-08-03 13:43, eyerina wrote:
these are not speculations...

even if those officers had their id tags on (which are not so obvious for some reason. for me all of them just look plain balck), still they did not have to be rude to people who were on the field for whatever reason and in whatever state of mind. and of course they were not supposed to throw stuff into people's cars...

the death is part of the after-effect caused by panic which was caused by rude police intrusion. so even if the lorry doesnt belong to police, the whole situaiton is tied into one. IMHO




If the police are told to clean the area that's what they have to do. Obviously they gave people a lot of time to leave but pretty much no one left. Then once they started to move in people got violent. Tear gas was obviously used cos it doesn't do any physical damage to you but perhaps the you finally realize that it's time to leave. Yet many remained and fought the police..

It's not like they did it the Chinese way..

You think people would have left if the police would have asked nicely one more time? Or maybe 10 more times? Maybe they should have offered some gupta to the people too and then have a reasonable conversation about it?          "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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