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Myopic novices and the art of their music (PSYTRANCE)
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 09:15
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Just because you aren't enamored of psy-trance or are not actively seeking it out does not mean it is dead. and I resent your comment about novices making psy-trance....if you truly like psy-trance you should be encouraging people to jump in and make some music, instead of childishly mocking them for daring to post instructional youtube videos?
I don't think anyone is so daft as to think that they can be a musical genius after watching YouTube clips - if anything they probably (like me) are increasingly becoming aware of just how MUCH we (speaking from a novice POV) don't know and how the journey of musical self discovery is a never ending road.
I was introduced to psy-trance around 6-7 years ago...far from what most people around here consider to be the 'golden age' of psy...and if it were true that psy was dying then I would find less parties to go to, and a waning interest...
in the past 6 years the annual psy festival I have been going to has grown. In those years I have found more parties each year in my surrounding area, partly due to how increasingly invested I was in psy, and this year I have finally decided to start mixing/producing even though I have absolutely no musical training whatsoever...and after a healthy does of YouTube, Wikipedia, and tom cosm I am creating interesting sounds left and right, unraveling the mysteries of my favorite tracks and feeling therapeutically inspired as I create sounds that sometimes sound like music. I don't have delusions of grandeur that I'm going to be the next Simon Posford or anything, but I am happy each time I wrap my head around a technique and I'll keep going and see what happens.
Psy trance can't be dead, it has changed my life and continues to do so. New releases are amazingly good, and I continue to look backwards into psy's musical history to find powerful harmonic talismans lurking, waiting for me to find them and blow my mind. Fuck anyone and everyone who keeps saying that psy is dead.
Oh, and as for the infected mushroom love in...art is innately subjective I know but for me personally, infected was corrupted by the influence of america and money in equal big heaping portions. Most people measure success by whether or not you're making money and that's fucking sad. Reading that someone who apparently back in the day made good psy has given up and is instead pursuing an MBA made me laugh and cry on the inside at the same time.
As for pros and commercialization...it's tricky. You can go the simon posford route and stay true to psychedelic culture, vibe, spirituality and mystical experiences and fuck the money, or you can go the infected route and get seduced by money over time and end up releasing commercial garbage songs with lyrics that don't mean anything or that are about your favorite taco stand.
In my eyes, Simon succeeds even if he loses money producing, and Infected fails horribly while making tons of money. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 09:21
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Obelizk, how old are you?
No truly, how old are you?
This inquisitiveness evolves from the realization that earlier mentioned sarcasm about this topic being lame was swallowed by you without getting even a little hint of sarcasm that lingers there.
And
Do you really think that "oh mods please kill this post." kind of statement makes me high and mighty.
Wow.
I must have stepped on your tail, and rather crushed it really bad.
My heartfelt sympathies. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 09:33
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On 2010-01-21 09:15, willsanquil wrote:
Just because you aren't enamored of psy-trance or are not actively seeking it out does not mean it is dead. and I resent your comment about novices making psy-trance....if you truly like psy-trance you should be encouraging people to jump in and make some music, instead of childishly mocking them for daring to post instructional youtube videos?
I don't think anyone is so daft as to think that they can be a musical genius after watching YouTube clips - if anything they probably (like me) are increasingly becoming aware of just how MUCH we (speaking from a novice POV) don't know and how the journey of musical self discovery is a never ending road.
I was introduced to psy-trance around 6-7 years ago...far from what most people around here consider to be the 'golden age' of psy...and if it were true that psy was dying then I would find less parties to go to, and a waning interest...
in the past 6 years the annual psy festival I have been going to has grown. In those years I have found more parties each year in my surrounding area, partly due to how increasingly invested I was in psy, and this year I have finally decided to start mixing/producing even though I have absolutely no musical training whatsoever...and after a healthy does of YouTube, Wikipedia, and tom cosm I am creating interesting sounds left and right, unraveling the mysteries of my favorite tracks and feeling therapeutically inspired as I create sounds that sometimes sound like music. I don't have delusions of grandeur that I'm going to be the next Simon Posford or anything, but I am happy each time I wrap my head around a technique and I'll keep going and see what happens.
Psy trance can't be dead, it has changed my life and continues to do so. New releases are amazingly good, and I continue to look backwards into psy's musical history to find powerful harmonic talismans lurking, waiting for me to find them and blow my mind. Fuck anyone and everyone who keeps saying that psy is dead.
Oh, and as for the infected mushroom love in...art is innately subjective I know but for me personally, infected was corrupted by the influence of america and money in equal big heaping portions. Most people measure success by whether or not you're making money and that's fucking sad. Reading that someone who apparently back in the day made good psy has given up and is instead pursuing an MBA made me laugh and cry on the inside at the same time.
As for pros and commercialization...it's tricky. You can go the simon posford route and stay true to psychedelic culture, vibe, spirituality and mystical experiences and fuck the money, or you can go the infected route and get seduced by money over time and end up releasing commercial garbage songs with lyrics that don't mean anything or that are about your favorite taco stand.
In my eyes, Simon succeeds even if he loses money producing, and Infected fails horribly while making tons of money.
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I fully and truly agree. No conflicts in our thoughts. I am really sorry guys. If I ended up hurting people so bad that they are not able to understand this simple fact that my idea of this thread to talk about anomalies that are occurring in psytrance world, which was actually raised by 'bukboy'. But it really made me feel sad that someone like him who made good psy music and spoke about learning jazz improvisation for the melody reconstruction of psy genre, is now saying that its dead. Or maybe dying. And guys the most interesting thing is that he seemed to have a point. For which I wanted a place where people can share their view on the same. But look back in the previous posts of this thread, You all just pounced on me as if I spoke about something really lame. I earnestly apologise to all who got pissed.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 11:02
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this thread is like psytrance,, INTENSE to put it mildly and understated
anyways,, i'm much more focused on the Psy part of the word 'psytrance' when creating music.
auralserenity,
can you recommend some excellent psycedelic music for me to look into for inspiration.
but good professional music please.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 12:13
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i wasnt joking when i said that this thread is a waste of time!
bukboy is clearly suffering from something.....
auralserenity - do your self a favour and dont listen to too much cynical bullshit! i promise its contagious..
peace
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 12:18
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On 2010-01-21 11:02, *eLliSDee* wrote:
this thread is like psytrance,, INTENSE to put it mildly and understated
anyways,, i'm much more focused on the Psy part of the word 'psytrance' when creating music.
auralserenity,
can you recommend some excellent psycedelic music for me to look into for inspiration.
but good professional music please.
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"focused on psy part of the word psytrance"
Interesting.
And obvious.
I do not know '*eLliSDee*', what will inspire you.
Its the matter of how you have toned your ears.
What inspired me for something like surreal and dark psychedelic(not necessarily trance) was Ludwig Van Beethoven(symphony the 5th), Pink Floyd, James Douglas Morrison, U2, some ethnic lounge productions like - 'Cosma - We are the same', 'The Future Sound of London - Lifeforms' and Ott and The Orb and... and I dont know how many. There are so many of them.
You must have noticed that I didnt mention any of standard dark psy artists like Dark Nebula or Safi Connection or Xenomorph or Hallucinogen; That is only because I was not focusing on trance part of the word. Else they might be a good choice as well.
I think best inspiration one can gather is from all those cult movies out there. Movies carry emotions and their music can touch on the right place in the right time, and stir your imagination.
Movies I'm talking about are like--
1. Pi
2. A Clockwork Orange
3. Trainspotting
4. Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas
5. Suicide Circle(I mean it)
6. I'm A Cyborg But That's Okay
7. Kikujiro(or any of the Takeshi Kitano's work)
8. Modulation
9. Un Chien Andalou
0. Sonatine(did I mention Takeshi Kitano earlier).
Lots and lots of other movies.
Anything can inspire you. Once I read a novel by 'Carl-Johan Vallgren' -- "The Horrific Sufferings of the Mind-Reading Monster Hercules Barefoot: His Wonderful Love and His Terrible Hatred", this book imediately inspired me to make something that I still listen to and get totally thrilled.
I am completely clean now(dont even smoke a plain cigarette now), but I used to do drugs earlier, so once after I did Henbane + Heroine + couple of Spliffs, and got inspired to mix comfortably numb, but ended up making a 160 BPM, some undefinable style of the 02:33 minutes of fast beat less sequence of synth noises. They were heavily automated and filtered. For a year I kept it without having an intention to keep it, then one day suddenly I heard a drone ambient and thought of stretching that sample to some odd nine minutes and then there was a magic that was shimmering out of the monitors. It was so lush beautiful that my friend made me make an album out of it and bought it in INR 100. He said it will be a token to the personification of the beauty of Heroine.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 12:50
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i got tired from try to read everything here.
but from what i've read i have to answer the people who asked why do people say that the psytrance is dead.
so i know that many psy producers are performing less and less, just look at famous artists myspace and see they are not performing too much this days.
many famous psytrance, like gms for example, started to make techno and electro.
i know at least that the fullon has we know it for the few last years is going down. just the realy big names performing enough to live from it.
so all that facts, and there are facts, not fillings of mine, make me concern about the psytrance existance.
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nonseq
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 15:01
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 15:17
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Thanx a lot, 'nonseq'.
That seems a real cult movie.
Thanx a lot. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 15:23
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My all time favourite is Total Eclipse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Eclipse_(film)
There is nothing like getting a whirlpool trippy ride in 'the drunken boat'. Arthur Rimbaud and his legacy continues to haunt people. Still, even after the death of his one real good follower - James Douglas Morrison.
Check it out, if anyone hasnt yet.
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 15:44
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Guys, Blumenkraft was Ott's first album, and the first song of the compilation was "Jack's Cheese & Bread Snack", which has been my all time favourite song in lounge genre. Although Viragi's heady composition of "The Seven Heads of Propaganda" has also been influencing me, but this song by Ott is ancient but still contemporary. One can learn many mixing skills through this masterpiece. Its a 12:52 minutes long and has a really slow buildup with lots and lots of almost angelic ambient drives. Another kickass anthem would be "The Orb's" - "The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" and again the first song from their first album - "Little Fluffy Clouds".
Any comments on these songs guys? |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 15:46
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On 2010-01-20 23:45, auralserenity wrote:
Let me explain: If I ever wanted to cook, I didnt threw all the fukin spices in the pan to wait and find out what turns out. No one is stopping me from doing that as I am doing that in my own fukin kitchen. And even if I'm experimenting in such a way(which is rare) in my kitchen, I wouldnt serve all such devastated products to the people. And lets assume I ever want to be considering myself a CHEF who cooks amazing ratatouille, then it will be a blunder if I do not know that zucchini is must for ratatouille, or else I'll be a chef but not the one who knows how to cook a fukin ratatouille. And in that case if I join as a head chef in a restaurant where they only serve ratatouille, they might serve my head instead.
If this explanation doesnt ring bells, then check your battery.
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It sure does, but you're talking about how PC power and the internet has transformed music making and bringing it home to peoples' bedrooms, not about psytrance specifically.
For every myopic psytrance novice I'll bet you there are 3 DnB novices, 5 house ones and 10 pop ones or whatever. Read any popular music magazine, choose any edition at random and see how often psytrance is mentioned if you need a perspective on that.
I for one, don't make music that way and I never have, even though it is a highly experimental genre. But admittedly, there's a lot of people playing around like that. I just don't get why it bothers you? You don't have to eat from their devastated myspace dishes - its a consumers market. Does it bother you when they call themselves musicians or what's the deal?
I don't know if you've been around the forum a lot, but if you haven't you should know that a lot of people here simply share a passion for psytrance, and from the choice of genre itself, it should be self-evident that stardom or money is not at the heart of it.
What money? Cheap flight, crashing in someones living room and not getting paid by some dubious organizer because the party went belly-up. Or perhaps all the record sales... 
What stardom? Sitting behind a laptop for an hour or two in a dark room filled with mostly drugged people (no judgement) who for the most part has no idea who's playing anyway
Try to have fun instead of putting such an existentialist spin on it... |
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 17:27
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On 2010-01-21 09:21, auralserenity wrote:
Obelizk, how old are you?
No truly, how old are you?
This inquisitiveness evolves from the realization that earlier mentioned sarcasm about this topic being lame was swallowed by you without getting even a little hint of sarcasm that lingers there.
And
Do you really think that "oh mods please kill this post." kind of statement makes me high and mighty.
Wow.
I must have stepped on your tail, and rather crushed it really bad.
My heartfelt sympathies.
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you can try to dress up your cop out any way you want and pretend to be as surprised as you want. And ask me insignificant questions as much as you want. You're really adding just more lameness to this lame post. This is really getting sad.
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 17:33
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On 2010-01-21 15:46, Inner Demon wrote:
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On 2010-01-20 23:45, auralserenity wrote:
Let me explain: If I ever wanted to cook, I didnt threw all the fukin spices in the pan to wait and find out what turns out. No one is stopping me from doing that as I am doing that in my own fukin kitchen. And even if I'm experimenting in such a way(which is rare) in my kitchen, I wouldnt serve all such devastated products to the people. And lets assume I ever want to be considering myself a CHEF who cooks amazing ratatouille, then it will be a blunder if I do not know that zucchini is must for ratatouille, or else I'll be a chef but not the one who knows how to cook a fukin ratatouille. And in that case if I join as a head chef in a restaurant where they only serve ratatouille, they might serve my head instead.
If this explanation doesnt ring bells, then check your battery.
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It sure does, but you're talking about how PC power and the internet has transformed music making and bringing it home to peoples' bedrooms, not about psytrance specifically.
For every myopic psytrance novice I'll bet you there are 3 DnB novices, 5 house ones and 10 pop ones or whatever. Read any popular music magazine, choose any edition at random and see how often psytrance is mentioned if you need a perspective on that.
I for one, don't make music that way and I never have, even though it is a highly experimental genre. But admittedly, there's a lot of people playing around like that. I just don't get why it bothers you? You don't have to eat from their devastated myspace dishes - its a consumers market. Does it bother you when they call themselves musicians or what's the deal?
I don't know if you've been around the forum a lot, but if you haven't you should know that a lot of people here simply share a passion for psytrance, and from the choice of genre itself, it should be self-evident that stardom or money is not at the heart of it.
What money? Cheap flight, crashing in someones living room and not getting paid by some dubious organizer because the party went belly-up. Or perhaps all the record sales...
What stardom? Sitting behind a laptop for an hour or two in a dark room filled with mostly drugged people (no judgement) who for the most part has no idea who's playing anyway
Try to have fun instead of putting such an existentialist spin on it...
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Well, 'Inner Demon', I agree.
But you are late and I already gave up on the debate. And as for 'Obelizk', I didnt intend to be rude, but everyone has a bad day sometimes. Apparently mine was yesterday.
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 17:50
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Gave up on the debate or conceded that your initial question/observation does not hold water?
In my eyes, doing the former admits to the latter. Don't debate if you don't want to explore other opinions than your own.
Aeon killed the thread and you know it. Be glad you learned something instead. Cop out. |
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