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Myopic novices and the art of their music (PSYTRANCE)
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Maska
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 23:29
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On 2010-01-23 17:37, auralserenity wrote:
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On 2010-01-22 21:19, Maska wrote:
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On 2010-01-20 09:04, bukboy wrote:
auralserenity - Its a maturity thing. What happened is that I realised that music is an evolved - arbitrarily created phenomenon that just gave us an advantage and helped us grow/expand/evolve on a species level, but that doesnt change the basic fact that our nature is "monkeys bouncing to tribal beats" and music manipulates our basic emotions. Once I understood how music works, and how it manipulates emotions, I became acutely aware of how predictable music is and I am, I also saw that I am just a puppet subjected to tricks that make me feel. I felt so powerless and limited in my nature.
I suppose I saw beauty as being internal to me and arbitrary.
In the end Music is just a type of manipulation, where the manipulator skillfully gets you to part with the proceeds of your work.
I dont really want to be an entertainer.
My horizons are wider now...
The thing that tortures me is that no matter how good an idea is, its just a configuration that is either advantageous or not. SO long as it works in the short or long term, then thats all the meaning and truth it needs to contain. It can be a lot of B.S. so long as it gives you advantage.
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It kind of amazes me how you see enlightenment as the end of all....over sharing your ability and realization, with those that currently feel the way you did at some point in your past. Just remember the first time Psytrance hooked you...Go back to that and if you cant emulate the same stuff that is out there right now, without feeling complete, then evolve and create something new and different. Don't let your limitations cancel out your ideas and feelings about how it should be.
But please dont assume people are unevolved or immature, simply because they apprectiate the raw power of natural human emotions.
If you are over it, then be, but why ruin the experience for everyone else?
So, I agree with prior sentiments aimed at aural, if you don't like it, cool. but if you dont like it and cant stop yourself from from being a asshole to other people who appreciate it, the you can go F yourself,
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Guys this might be my last post to the forum. I am going to be busy with this studio thing. I'll have to re-setup the complete studio of mine.
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Please read on.
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I was right about some folks in this community - They are idiots of colossal proportions.
If anyone finds enough interest and enough time to post anything on this thread then in order to understand me correct, they should have had at least little semblance of intellect alive in the head so that they could check all my posts that appeared on this thread, before talking their shit. My intention was not to make it a lame thread, which it turned out to be, because my realization, that I'm dealing with the retards of the first order, was late. How many of you guys followed this thread from the thread - Books Reviews & Advices -- http://forum.isratrance.com/book-reviews-and-or-advice/
My first post mentioned that.
That was what I had doubt on, before initiating this thread. Therefore, driven by that prejudice, I started this thread like:
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"The thread, http://forum.isratrance.com/book-reviews-and-or-advice/ , was a bout books but somehow ended up being a kind of playground for criticism on psy trance lovers(amateurs) and their music(psytrance). Hence I decided to start a new thread on the same subject.
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Is it true that all the psy trance producers are nothing but amateurs who are chasing the glamor of being called a genius in music production, and fooling themselves of the reality that all their attempts are futile?
Are they a bunch of myopic novices who cant look beyond their limited senses and fail to realize that days of psytrance are over?
***Well, I personally would agree to this to some extent, but cant consider it a universal fact.***
~ How about you?"
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Are you still reading?
Well then, now consider this.
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***would agree to this to some extent, but cant consider it a universal fact.***
How the hell, this concluding part fail to convey what I feel.
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The link[(http://forum.isratrance.com/book-reviews-and-or-advice/)], that was supposed to convey a backdrop to the point of view, apparently was not followed. If it WAS, then it confuses me further. This raises the question either on my language or on your levels of understanding. Here I'm not blaming you. Sometimes my linguistic ways confuses me as well. But never to this degree.
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Guys I understand that I have a tendency to rape people's mind with words so I can understand if you people did not bother much to read me completely and then commenting, but did you truly read me enough to gather the meaning that lies buff naked in all my posts.
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People who truly found this thread lame, why for fuk's sake they ever bothered to continue the communication or even begin it on the first go. I'll tell you why -- first few people retorted out of sheer emotional hit that was simply stirred by the presence of the words - myopic novice and psytrance, appearing in one sentence. That can sound derogatory to some people, I understand. But later some interesting folks came who were not only emotional but were also driven by the reaction of those first few who had already shown there one masterpiece of intellect.
People, I sincerely mark this particular post as my last appearance in this thread. Although I had come up with few other threads, but the chances are that they will also fail to provide much of sense, and moreover, I'm going to be hell busy in renovating my studio.
Thank you for reading me guys and continue thinking good music. And have a very nice day.
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You are assuming that what you have to say is so important that I would take the time to read everything you wrote....That simply isn't true.....
Yeah, I get the jist of what you are saying...you are tainted and feel you need to spread your negative energy to other people, because you are at a turning point in your feelings towards trance...
I have been there a few times in my long trance life....
the point being,
Does that make me an idiot? Well I am in many ways I am sure, but is it because I didn't take the time to read your nonsense? No way. You simply aren't that important to me.
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Maska
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 23:44
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On 2010-01-24 10:20, bukboy wrote:
Maska - I think we all have to be tolerant of other viewpoints, especially if they threaten ours, simply because then we have to re-evaluate ours for superiority given a new evidence set.
Everyone - This thread to me has become a shouting match of opinions. But the main issue I want to address and bring to your attention has still not been discussed. That is the perception of novice music as being good enough to drive the party and release scene.
But I would argue that a lack of criticism on ideological grounds and technical lack is swamping the visible psy scene wrt parties and releases with low quality music. This has the effect of repelling any new incoming participants. Basically killing the scene.
Additionally it looks as if the novice "feel" is being mimicked as a trend by the better artists who want to keep up with times.
But who wants to go to a party where all the music sounds the same and is all equally bad.
Would anyone care to falsify this view with some evidence of numbers? How many of you know of people from outside who are amazed by the originality of the present psy scene?
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Honestly, I have had some fun at some amatuer parties with terrible DJs....sometimes the best ever...especially in the early days
also, i remember times I have had more fun sometimes with local DJs, that are really good over the pro ones...
and I have had some pro artists that blew my mind..
do I say one is better than the other? and do I perceive them to be the same thing, or in the same league?
nope, I can differentiate the pros from the regulars....
when punk was big, some of the bands sucked as musicians, but they rocked because they had great energy...
then when they became "professional musicians" the feel changed and yeah it sounded cleaner, but lost its luster...
So, if people love it, then that is why it is getting more popular...people want it....
if you arent one of those people, I don't know what to tell you....don't listen....
It is that simple....
I will never forget the early days of trance....Even though production quality is nothing like the compressed music you hear today, it was special and was magical....
I have been involved in promotion, djing, etc.....I have seen and talked to some huge artists.....
each is different....but if people like them, then who am I or you or Oral Serenity to tell those people they are crazy, simply because you two feel you are intellectually superior to everyone else?
You are nothing, just like I am nothing in this beautiful global community that is psytrance....
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tacho77
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 00:09
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On 2010-01-20 19:21, auralserenity wrote:
god forbid, if they ever think of designing one without knowing where C-minor lies on the keyboard,
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im just curious......where, pray tell, does c "minor" lay on the keyboard....exactly?
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braininavat
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 20:33
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I do think in this whole discussion is that there is a bias if you are posting on this board...we are obviously the "hardcore" fans of psy.
Funny thing is I remember the first time my sister went to a party it was in 2000 with Posford as the main act.
After, she said she loved it and when I asked her what she thought of Posford's live set she had no idea when he had even gone on, thought it pretty much all sounded the same the whole night even though the experience was enjoyable over all.
All this is really just splitting hairs for people who are too into the music.
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SCircuit
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Posted : Feb 4, 2010 21:01
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Wow 10 pages.... I'm only responding about the initial post on this and have no idea what's been said since....
Everyone has to start somewhere. Yes there are Amateurs everywhere. Even the "pros" started out as an amateur wanting to be more.
I have been listening to psy since about 1998 crossing over from metal around that time. Psytrance rocks and has only been getting better as it's been evolving, IMO.
As a musician myself, I have total respect for anyone that has put out a psy album or who is trying to. Psytrance in any form requires extensive knowledge of musical scales, sequencing, production, mixing, hardware, software,....etc, etc, etc. Point is, it's one of THE MOST DIFFICULT styles to pull off and make sound good. Way different than the average guitar player going out, getting a Les Paul and Marshal combo stack and with a little practice, sound good. It's not as easy to get it right either.
Ok the comment about Psytrance has "seen it's day" .... I don't think so... I think it's only scratching the surface of what it could be and yet to become. Especially here in the states, and especially since Infected Mushroom has crossed over into the Metal genre.... sort of. It's starting to turn heads here, and there are more people starting to ditch their Beyonce crap for something else.
I think beautifully, intelligent world of psy is really just beginning.
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On 2010-01-19 16:00:48, auralserenity wrote:
The thread, http://forum.isratrance.com/book-reviews-and-or-advice/ , was a bout books but somehow ended up being a kind of playground for criticism on psy trance lovers(amateurs) and their music(psytrance). Hence I decided to start a new thread on the same subject.
So,
Is it true that all the psy trance producers are nothing but amateurs who are chasing the glamor of being called a genius in music production, and fooling themselves of the reality that all their attempts are futile?
Are they a bunch of myopic novices who cant look beyond their limited senses and fail to realize that days of psytrance are over?
Well, I personally would agree to this to some extent, but cant consider it a universal fact.
~ How about you?
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