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Myopic novices and the art of their music (PSYTRANCE)
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JohnnyBGood
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 17:57
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As for psytrance being 'dead' - well, you can say that about every genre of music except hip hop and pop.
As for the novices thing - well, it's easier today more than ever to produce and publish music. as a result, a lot of less creative tracks see the light of day.
But this is a good thing - more creative artists can get discovered.
Good artists evolve with time, untill they start sucking (think about any artist that is active more than 15 years).
Most successful artists in every genre are mediocre. Britney Spears has the #1 selling record of all times- need I say more?
If you're serious about listening to music, you'll find the artists you like in any given genre. |
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 18:05
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On 2010-01-21 17:50, Inner Demon wrote:
Gave up on the debate or conceded that your initial question/observation does not hold water?
In my eyes, doing the former admits to the latter. Don't debate if you don't want to explore other opinions than your own.
Aeon killed the thread and you know it. Be glad you learned something instead. Cop out.
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Oh Yeah?
Whatever.
I still choose to quietly let you have an orgasm on that.
Right now I'm busy with something less horrible than that. So either give us a bit more conducive response for music construction or continue with that bliss of orgasm and maintain the fuking silence. |
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nonseq
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 18:29
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On 2010-01-21 12:18, auralserenity wrote:
I think best inspiration one can gather is from all those cult movies out there. Movies carry emotions and their music can touch on the right place in the right time, and stir your imagination.
Movies I'm talking about are like--
1. Pi
2. A Clockwork Orange
3. Trainspotting
4. Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas
5. Suicide Circle(I mean it)
6. I'm A Cyborg But That's Okay
7. Kikujiro(or any of the Takeshi Kitano's work)
8. Modulation
9. Un Chien Andalou
0. Sonatine(did I mention Takeshi Kitano earlier). |
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Good list.
Suicide Circle has been on my to-see list since it came out, but I was waiting for a European dvd release so I can watch it in high quality... |
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nonseq
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 18:41
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On 2010-01-21 17:57, JohnnyBGood wrote:
Most successful artists in every genre are mediocre. Britney Spears has the #1 selling record of all times- need I say more? |
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Are you sure it's Britney?
Anyway, no offense but your comment basically illustrates what people where lamenting, i.e. the lack of knowledge among psy 'producers' on how to make a good 'song'. Because 'Baby one more time' and many other Britney songs are brilliant. I mean really? You can't hear it? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 18:43
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Britney rox!
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nonseq
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 18:49
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 19:00
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On 2010-01-21 18:29, nonseq wrote:
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On 2010-01-21 12:18, auralserenity wrote:
I think best inspiration one can gather is from all those cult movies out there. Movies carry emotions and their music can touch on the right place in the right time, and stir your imagination.
Movies I'm talking about are like--
1. Pi
2. A Clockwork Orange
3. Trainspotting
4. Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas
5. Suicide Circle(I mean it)
6. I'm A Cyborg But That's Okay
7. Kikujiro(or any of the Takeshi Kitano's work)
8. Modulation
9. Un Chien Andalou
0. Sonatine(did I mention Takeshi Kitano earlier). |
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Good list.
Suicide Circle has been on my to-see list since it came out, but I was waiting for a European dvd release so I can watch it in high quality...
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Thanx
There are other as well, but most of them are so common that you find those in your computer and cant remember when did you rip it. Like - Requiem For A Dream(Ting - Ting - Ting - Ting x4)
The Basketball Diaries
The Panic In The Needle Park(One of my favorite drug movie)
State of Weightlessness(What a documentary)
La Planete Sauvage(Wow, how could I miss this one. Very shocking one. And a rare piece of art.)
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 19:07
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Without a doubt, many hated this thread, but I guess its taking a pretty nice shape now. Some wacky thread. Extreme mood swings and abuses and emotional breakdowns. And now finally a real sensible and conducive thread, it turned out to be.
Guys please ignore the title of the thread and lets surf onto this interesting wavelength.
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 19:20
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i'm still kind of at a loss as to the point of the conversation.... i mean, if people around here really want to get popular, i'm sure we can all claim the base technical skills of girltalk or some other godawful artist.....
i didn't get into this to make money or be heard or anything like that. i wanted to make psytrance cause it makes me happy. end of story.
i'm still gonna track down new music and play it for people cause i think it's cool music.....
i mean, we still have people listening to classical dance or the blues and other music that's heyday is long gone.
can't we all just go with it and do what we want? i mean, i think psytrance is a very constraint-less genera....
but hey, as a Myopic novice, i guess i'm just delusional?? (hell, my music isn't that good, i know that, but at least i'm trying....) |
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 20:35
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Let me start off by saying that the input from Auralserenity, and several others in this thread are clearly very emotional & inflammatory. I sought clarification in an attempt to pull the understanding & intelligence out of this thread into the foreground. I don't think it's going to work, as people seem to be just trying to defend their opinion in an attempt to be right, without providing real, thought-out debate.
Auralserenity, your english is sometimes a little hard to understand. The real point you are trying to make is often far less than crystal clear. You think to know exactly what the majority of psytrance producers are doing, thinking, expecting, practicing, where their skill level it, etc. That is clearly impossible. I would have to say you are a bit misguided in taking your opinion & incomplete experience as somehow representative of the entire psytrance music scene, or any music scene for that matter. But I acknowledge your opinion for what it is, but I think it's unreasonable for you to claim you know exactly what every psytrance producer is expecting, and that they are all chasing stardom.
A non-structured, non-formal education is the hallmark of many great musicians. No one is born a master, and so it takes times, and lots of practice. Just because someone doesn't follow the route that is best for you, doesn't mean they are following a bad route.
You may have a point that more music is released by artists at a lower skill level than ever before, and that is because of the entire distribution change the internet has brought. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. These releases generally didn't reach your ears previously, since most labels might not have released it. I think this is your real issue, that you don't feel "novices" should not be releasing music to the public until they get "good enough".
Your criticism may or may not be valid, but I think your approach is not very productive, and very troll-ish. There's nothing of interest to me in this thread anymore.
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auralserenity
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 20:54
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'Dharma lab' & 'dreadieg', I have an honor for your truthful unbiased opinion. My linguistic skill might dwindle as I many a times get lost in the words that I attempt to choose for a precise impact. But sometimes I tend to miss that precise impact, as again I'm doing that. So let me conclude with a twist of clarity that I might have lacked in my last post. I earnestly request you to let this thread decay in vain, while in the mean time we can share some better ideas where no such eye-bleeding topics should be raised or supported. I take the blame of doing this very same thing earlier, but now I find my reasons to be so misinterpreted that I happily opt for betterment. And that betterment I mistakenly tried seeking in the same thread that pisses my colleagues. Hence, with no grudges, lets leave this thread to die in vain where as we can do better or maybe nothing at all.
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piXan
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 23:38
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bukboy
Hyperboreans
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 23:57
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Britneys - If u seek amy - is brilliant.
Theres rhythmic acceleration, deceleration, groove, its really well structured, great consistency and contrast, great harmony and melody and the lyrics are really clever. Whoever did this is really really good.
This is the first song that I reckon she shows she can be a real artist. Personally my disgust turned into admiration, for if not her, then her songwriters and producers. 
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Medea
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Posted : Jan 22, 2010 00:32
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 22, 2010 01:59
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On 2010-01-21 23:57, bukboy wrote:
Britneys - If u seek amy - is brilliant.
Theres rhythmic acceleration, deceleration, groove, its really well structured, great consistency and contrast, great harmony and melody and the lyrics are really clever. Whoever did this is really really good.
This is the first song that I reckon she shows she can be a real artist. Personally my disgust turned into admiration, for if not her, then her songwriters and producers.
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i am sure we are all glad to read that you finally found the genre that fits with your supreme taste and your far above average knowledge of music, home at last |
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