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MIND CONTROL!!! Talamasca new label !!!

Duniya
Quantic Fusion (ODD)

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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 08:49
actually in my opinion the mp3 selling wont help so much since ppl always prefer not to pay nothing than spending some money. but of course i dont know how all in general but about me i think if a label sell in internet in their homepage wave files of released tracks separately then in my opinion i would buy a lot for sure since sometime you look to a cd and you tell "this is not enough to i buy it because i just like some tracks"... but if you can buy them in internet separately then there is always some tracks you will buy. but for wave files the price couldn t be one euro but from 1euro.50 cent to 2 euro. that i think it could be worth for the future of this scene and maybe labels could get good money with it and start having the download selling around the same quantity that you sell cds. probably you will sell less cds but also i think you dont need to spend so much to sell them over download.
anyway i agree with mael today a trance label dont live but just survive. its very difficult to open a label, specially, because lots of money spent and you never know if you will get it back and for sure there is more probability of dont get the money back than getting more money, since this scene its not so big... i think for new labels if they get back the same money they spent after selling the first cd they could stay happy nowadays.

anyway good luck for your label mael and cedric im sure it will rock and will sell many in the future. you ve been doing great job with 3d vision. one of the best labels and now for sure both will make a great job in this one. best of luck with it

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talamasca
Talamasca

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 00:57
we thought a LOT about the wave files...but man , it is very very very big.....so imagine with a lot of wave files , first how big the site must be , and then how long it takes to download a file like this...specially if many many people download it at the same time.....
But we are now building the website and we will find something similar....as i say , if the people want to copy my music , i prefer to be the one who give it...
keep dancing !!!
cedric.
full_on
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 03:11
Great topic!
I believe Surrender (or better Nano Records) came up with a nice idea. Put some internet bonus stuff on the CD. It's another good reason to buy a CD.

WAV files are a complicated issue, since one can download it and convert to MP3, so it will be easier for the ones who don't pay then for the one who bought it.

Now I'm sure that with this kind of open dialogue between artists, labels and party goers we will be at least able to open our minds to new directions...

I wish all the best for your label, Cedric.
Keep it up!
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Surrender
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 04:31
cedric,
regading WAV files i dont think is a good idea either, since at this point with HD sizes for your server (not to mention the traffic) and users at home its a bit heavy... perhaps in a few years with faster connections and larger HD's.

but for now:

1. purchasing MP3 or AAC is like buying a rotten tomato... its damaged goods in terms of how a track should sound, and if someone is paying for it, they should receive something better.

2. Try - APE, FLAC, WMA lossless formats, they are larger then mp3's but way smaller then the WAV. and still manage to offer superior quality when compared to mp3@ 320kbps.

3. Try to hookup with the nice people over at apple for iPod distribution availability online, this may help you in spreading the trance virus and your new label.

This may just work... anyway i will talk to you more on sunday when i land in tel-aviv.          "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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danger
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 09:24
About online buying...hmm...i don't know, but i know that only 1/4 or less are done now on the internet shops, the rest is in local stores. So probably Gadi the internet shopping is a common thing in the USA, but not all over the world...           Procyon Records
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nobody_3
Inactive User

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 10:10
Yes that's one of the points why I dont see online sales as ultimate the next 3-5 years. USA is far ahead in online sales. In Europe it's estimated that only up to 20% of all sales are done via the internet.

Regarding iTunes. Well it would be cool for USA but again it will take a long time until it reach Europe and as a European or for that matter anywhere else in the world you can not purchase muisc via the American iTunes store. It might take up to 2 years before iTunes is running in Europe due to laws that differ from American law.
Another issue is that your music bought via iTunes can not leave your computer and you cant do any backup of the music too (it wont copy to CD's ect.).

Secondly iTunes dont know much about electronic music and wont do much to promote the music unless you put in a lot of money to promote it.

Third. The artists get a very, and I really mean VERY, small percentage of the sales on iTunes because Apple Computer, illegal according to an old contract with Apple (Beatles), in London act as the Distributor (middleman). And they know what to charge for the music on iTunes
danger
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 10:43
Kristian: and also i heard that somebody already hacked itunes...maybe hoax, maybe not, but for sure it ll be hacked this year
So if not the distributors and the shops take your money, then Apple will, ehehehe....           Procyon Records
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Basilisk
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 17:41
I would never in a million years pay for any file less than .wav quality, including "loss-less" types. Thinking of small infrastructure I wonder about the potential for Bittorrent to be used in transfering large files i.e. ISOs of full CDs or single .wav's. You can institute some level of control at the tracking level to permit payment before download, and then after that all your customers would be helping each other, and you could pretty much run the whole thing off your home line if you have broadband with unlimited uploads and a good transfer rate (such a service in my area for example would be about $70/mo - all inclusive)... anyway, just more ideas for the pot!
woutski
Zen Mechanics

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 19:20
Alot of ppl don't buy comps simply because they don't wanna spend their money on a compilation with perhaps 3 tracks they like.
So I've always liked the idea of compiling your own.
Imagine one big website, kinda like Psyshop or Saikosounds, (perhaps with a members fee) but instead of buying CD's you can compile your own compilations with tracks, and even livesets/dj sets in WAV format from a huge online databass (supported and updated by all connected major trance labels), and then order that CD for the same price as a regular cd costs...but this time you totally get your money's worth because it contains only tracks you like, from several labels.
You could have the option to buy this cd with no cover at all, or pay an extra buck to get access to a cool gallerie of random sleeve art from which you can pick a cover (and optional, print out at home)...just a thought...
I know this ain't a solution to the filesharing problem, but perhaps it can bring up the sales a bit more.
Labels would have to adapt their view on selling a bit though...coz in this case they won't sell X many copies of cd X, but instead the artists directly get payed for each downloaded track (fair enough I think)
I'm not a business man, but I still think there's major potential in this idea, coz I think anyone who purchases cd's now and then but also the ppl with less money to spend or who are very selective about what they wanna buy would embrace this..or in other words: a site like this would be every trancer's wet dream!
I know it's gonna be a shitload of work to realize, but I'm sure if all the major trance labels, programmers, financers etc would work together on this one it could make some serious changes I think.
limbic
Limbic

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Posts :  282
Posted : Apr 23, 2004 20:25
Well i have a nice idea..i think

label will open a label store online like zen machines told but this time every artist will promote himself there...i mean i have a track i think people will like to buy in their comp so i have to sell it through there...the cost(of the single track) will be decided by both artist and label and precentage will go to label and manufactor and so and so and that way label will be sure that they produce the best comp(the ones that people want ot buy isnt it like that??) and artist will have to upgrade their level cause now it dont depands if label meneger likes u its about costumer liking your music right away now the only problem is how to get the costumer like the trackd and wanting to buy them...that can develop to a nice idea...maybe i will be misunderstood cause of my bad english ask questions!!!

my point is that labels should take all tracks from any artist who likes like mp3.com any1 welcome if u dont sell your problam

ohh and one more thing....fee to artist whos tracks dont sell if he sell some amounts...no fee

this idea need much more develop but think about it
ChoBo
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 23, 2004 21:00
i get all my cds online merely because there isnt a damn shop which sells psy among my neighbouring countries, this includes Singapore! I heard from Rob (saikosounds) that very few buy online from Singapore, i checked major music stores last december when i was there and i couldnt find a psy compil or album.

About compiling tracks, i dont think it would happen. If it were to work this way, the labels will not be selling. And about the artist getting paid for their track, i think it would cause chaos within the label. But in a way it makes artist work harder in making good tracks I am fine with the compiling but i rather get hold of the compil and take good care of my precious precious cd

The bottomline is that labels have to make changes to make their cds sale. And this is through feedback from your audience or listeners in what they like and what they dont like. Be flexible to change
illusions
Erebus
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 01:31
hey there cedric - that some good news about your label, goodluck with it. can't wait to listen to what you've been working on for so long.

in regard to somehow solving some of the mp3 trading issues in this scene - there are a couple of ideas that have come to me. unless someone finds a way of preventing to rip music off cd's, convert to mp3 and then distribute - the problem is never going to be solved, and I dont see a technology like that possible in the near future.

as for the legal downloading of music - in mp3 or any other format, there are a few things that have been done. the sound files are encrypted, and a player is distributed with them. the files can only be played with this specific player, and the player will only work if it has a valid license given by the artist/label.
the reason why this wouldnt work too well either is mainly because the people that are downloading from your website in the first place, have chosen to pay for the music instead of firing up soulseek and getting the latest unreleased. these guys are rather unlikely to be trading music.
if the tracks were not available any other way (cd/vinyl), this would be a perfect solution - but what about our dj's and the rest of the people that play their music on hi-fi stereos instead of firing up their computer and running some winamp clone.

the only fairly effective solution i can think of right now is somewhat along the lines of what basilsk suggested - bit torrent distribution of high quality sound files. doesnt cost much to put up, and can be done fairly easily (im willing to help ) - and gives those people willing to pay for their psy downloads a chance to do so atleast.

just my opinions.
good thread btw.

peace
ben
polaris
Polaris

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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 06:14
good luck for ur new label to you both guys ! it will be a blast i am sure !
goattack


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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 11:35
Hi Cedric and friends,
I have bought all your music by the normal way, which means, in a shop. I hope I can keep on buying your music this way. If not please tell me how to get to your music. I'm your fan!!!
tv@oxygen
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 15:58
I agree with the Shifts post. Labels need to persuade people to buy more cds!
No one can stop downloading-but if people will buy more cds the sells will increase extensivly.

The authorities have to explain to poeple that without their support their music slowly dissapears.

Do u think that normal trance people (i dont mean djs, arstists etc) are buying music?
I dont think so..and by persuading these people to buy sometimes could help to solve the problem a bit....

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