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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 16:55
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And what have we the artists and labels been doing the last 2-3 years? Did people change their downloading/trading habbits or buy more CD's because we said it was wrong and that it kill the scene? NO 
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cinik
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 17:29
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i think there is no way to force the people to buy something they can have for free.......but you can give some extra to the people who buy to thank them....
this i think is a very good topic , why no labels asked something like this before ? |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 17:33
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I dont get people's idea that because labels start to make better (designwise) and more expensive covers and start to give away things with the CD that it will increase sales.... Does anyone at all understand how expensive that would be for the labels? I dont see them investing more money into the releases as the situation is now. And do you really think it would help anyway? I doubt it!
Start to buy the music and I am sure many labels will begin to use more money on better promotion (incl. free gifts). As the situation is now they simply dont have the money for it. |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 18:01
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I don’t agree with you Elysium, I think it means a lot to a lot of people - it certainly does to me. A nice booklet and/or cover really give me a satisfaction when holding the product, listening to the CD for the first time and looking through the booklet – and that’s something the mp3 copy can never provide.
I know it’s not something you get for free, but I think it’s one of the things that could be done, otherwise it’s just a question of moral and ethics, and for me it looks like an impossible battle.
Give the customers something extra when they pay for the releases, give them something extra they can’t get with an mp3 copy and give them the feeling of paying for a full product, and not just a collection of tracks they might as well have burned out themselves. Otherwise the majority will no doubt go for the free version, and we all know that’s what they’re doing now.
But of course this is not the only thing to be done. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 18:36
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But then give me a valid suggestion how the labels are going to be able to afford printing expensive color booklets and hand out free gifts? Do you have any idead how expensive that is? Almost the same price as printing all the rest of the CD = almost double price in production costs. And do you seriously think more people would buy the CD's just because the artwork become better and there's a booklet inside? I still remain very sceptic and it's not like the ones that actually do have a nice design and a booklet sell more these days
And it's a bit doublestandard when i constantly see people saying that they dont care about the packaging anyway. How do we get these people to buy the CD's when it's obvious that they couldn't care less about the packaging or anything else than the music itself. The music qulity is another matter and is really about taste. Even the worse track is loved by someone
I think some people (no offense) have a hard time understanding the financial side of a label and how little they make these days. It's a matter of a lot of money to spend without covering the expenses and a huge amount lost these days to tardiong and downloading and when the CD's dont sell then a expensive color booklet and free gifts are utopia.
I think we need to get rid of the middlemen (aka distributors and shops) that punk up the prices to unrealistic hights and start to find better ways to distribute our music in a full CD quality (not shitty mp3 formats) so the artists and labels make the money they deserve and the consumers get the products cheaper. How it's done is a ridle to me but I am sure that the one cracking the problem will be a very rich man/woman
I would love to see better covers and booklet's and free T-shirts ect. ect but I am just being realistic here. No matter how many times you keep saying that Labels and artists are the ones to shape up their act and get on with it (yes we too have to change to the current situation and get the best out of it) - It wont change the fact that people still dont buy music! When do we see any clever suggestions to what they should do to improve the situation? |
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woutski
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 19:22
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I agree with everything you said here Elysium. Ppl who claim labels need to offer more prolly have no clue about how much it's gonna cost...and indeed why would a label invest even more money in a product when the sales have decreased so much. It's a guaranteed loss for the labels.
I also agree with your point about bypassing distributors and shops...Hell we have internet these days, we should take more advantage of it. Why do we need shops and distribution when everyone can order their music trough the internet? I see future generations never setting a foot in an old fashioned recordshop and simply get all their goodies via the global web, and why not?
So instead of fighting new technologie (the advent of mp3/PTP netwroks etc) labels need to take more advantage of it and adapt in order to survive.
So I say forget about the old-fashioned 'paying distributors to sell it to shops' ways. It only costs more money and the global coverage these distributors and shops provide can easily be achieved by the labels themselves: through the internet which is as global as it gets ).
Instead invest more money in a good website with secure online ordering and promotion.
I know this won't make much difference to the filesharing/stealing problem, but it will decrease the production costs of a cd.
And so maybe cd's can become cheaper (once and for all) and more ppl will be able/willing to buy more of them.
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 19:52
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I surely damn miss those days when i entered a real record shop, the great and dead by now Super Zeus in Tel Aviv, taking advice from the seller and then spending my best money on the chosen CD , rushing home and taking off the cover furiously and playing the CD. Now it's cold procedure, no excitement just pressing some buttons and then waiting 3/4 weeks (depending on how badly the israeli mail will take care of the order) for the cd to come.
It's really devastating to see all the favorite shops closing. Now there's only 1 shop that sells new stuff, and i don't like it much.
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bennnnnn
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 20:35
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hi,
mael,cederic.....all the best and good luck,
you will have my full support..... |
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limbic
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 23:07
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dj tv::::
a lot of artists and djs buy but only special things that the want to take for life to say in a few years...i own a real copy of astral projection - dancing galaxy or infected mushroom - classical mushroom
but no one is going to say i ahve psytekk - good purpose no offence to psytekk but its not good enough to my opinion and sells shows it i assume!!
in the who knows which time
1.better music
2.better distrbution(think about what pavel microbyte said) |
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ChoBo
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 02:15
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how much does it really cost to ask for a sticker? Sorry, i just have to agree with Profane. The scene is small and things have to be done a lil differently to get sales. I dont have to discuss how badly mp3's are affecting the scene. But i am not really asking for a T-shirt or nice booklet. I just want a tray card or a sticker. Got my copy of Tikal's album and hey i got a nice mini tray card. Are you telling me that it is really expensive to produce that? Well maybe i dont know.
Even if the cd's are cheaper like what zen said, i would still want a nice cd cover , a nice cd and etc. I dont think make it cheaper at the expense of certain things would make it sell. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 07:47
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On 2004-04-26 02:15, ChoBo wrote:
how much does it really cost to ask for a sticker? Sorry, i just have to agree with Profane. The scene is small and things have to be done a lil differently to get sales. I dont have to discuss how badly mp3's are affecting the scene. But i am not really asking for a T-shirt or nice booklet. I just want a tray card or a sticker. Got my copy of Tikal's album and hey i got a nice mini tray card. Are you telling me that it is really expensive to produce that? Well maybe i dont know.
Even if the cd's are cheaper like what zen said, i would still want a nice cd cover , a nice cd and etc. I dont think make it cheaper at the expense of certain things would make it sell.
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Come on now. Be honest Would a sticker really make any difference at all? I dont think so. It wont change a thing. And there's plenty of CD's out there with stickers inside. Do they sell more? NO
And I was reacting to Profane that talked about Nice coverss and Booklet's in his post.
Be real now. Just because you get a little extra with your CD do you really think that will solve any problems ragaring sales? I don't see that happening.
Again I claim that we need to re-think the sale and promotion tools and come up with new working ways. I just have a hard time finding something better than what we already got. Hope someone find the golden egg's 
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ChoBo
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 15:34
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If it is something that isnt an mp3 format and easily available in the net why shouldnt i buy the cd? I know i am one of the hundreds or thousands who actually own the freebie from buying the cd, and i am proud to own them. The sticker makes a difference to me, maybe i am one of the very few who actually likes them because i collect them and keep them in a nice album. And i will continue to buy cds which give me a lil freebie as a reward for buying. But that doesnt mean if the cd doesnt have a sticker i wont buy it especially if it is a good release.
If labels want to re-think the sale and promotion tools, they have to listen to their music buyers who always buy their music. They/We are your ears and audience. Too bad that polls cant be made, i think it would give some nice feedback. Labels dont have to agree in everything we say but try and listen if you wana sell.
Why dont you actually suggest something EP rather than think negatively on what most people have to say in trying to give feedback to labels. I want to hear your contribution on this as well. Who knows you might have a better idea? |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 16:18
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I dont think I am being negative.. I just think your a bit naive when it come to think that a small sticker in a CD will change anything... no offense though Yes you collect those stickers (good for you) but believe me that wont sell more CD's worldwide. It's not at all the golden solution and will only cost labels even more money. Money they simply dont have at the moment!
And dont forget that I already said that I would love things to change... I just honestly dont see how at the moment.... If that's being negative then let it be... I call it realitic and to debate (debates many time have the power to establish new ways of thinking and dealing with things).
Why don't you give us a realistic solution that would actually change things if you think it's that easy? |
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ChoBo
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 17:23
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There isnt a golden solution, the labels just have to take small steps and see how it works because on how small the scene is. And they have to listen to their audience but that doesnt necessarily mean they 'must' follow what we say.
You should be the one who should try and give a realistic solution because whenever one of us try to give in our inputs to try and help labels or at least hint them , you dismiss them. When did i ever said it was easy? All you do is whine around about the scene. At least some ppl are trying to give some nice feedback to the labels who are trying hard to get sales and support from the community and most of all make us music buyers happy.
I understand that you have your own opinion and so do I but you are the only one who keeps critising people's attempts to try and help labels or people. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 17:49
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On 2004-04-26 17:23, ChoBo wrote:
I understand that you have your own opinion and so do I but you are the only one who keeps critising people's attempts to try and help labels or people.
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Well I think all I do is debating. But of course you have the right to see my point of views as critisism instead of trying to see what i am actually saying. I for sure dont think i am critisising anyone here. I am trying to debate with people. Big difference in my opinion
And I am the only one whining in this forum? What about the many people that constantly whine and critisise our music (many times even get personal when they dont like the music), our prices, our cover designs, our lack of stickers ect. ect. ect. ect ??????
Yes we should listen to our Audience and believe me we do that. But too many times I find that you (the audience) just want to take and take without giving anything back. All I hear is "we want".. Why not say "What can we do for you" ??? Then I am sure we the artists and labels will do whatever we can to help you
I still see too many people (you included) just push it all over to the artists and labels to come up with a working solution. If it wasen't for people trading and stealing the music we did not need any solutions
So yes we have to try new ways to improve sales but so do you too mate. Maybe a first step for the consumers is to give us a break so we can earn some money and work out new ways for the future? I'll tell you one thing. No matter what we do it won't do any good unless the attitude also change drastically in the minds of the consumers. Not even cheaper music will convince the majority to stop trading unless the attitude that all music should be free change. In my opinion of course
So yes I think it's cool that my old friends Cedric and Mael are starting their own label and I wish them all the best and I really hope they will succeed big time with the label. And I know that Banel know that I think that elportal.net is a very cool thing Iboga are doing there. And I look forward to be apart of it and use it in the future... happy now?
I dare you to debate with me |
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