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MIND CONTROL!!! Talamasca new label !!!

talamasca
Talamasca

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Posted : Apr 19, 2004 21:28
ah!ah!ah!10-15 cds ???i don t know if 3d vision made that much even !!!
stickers , of course will be for free in all the parties where we will play...of course....don t need to mention it..........
kristian , what s happening with you?????long time i haven t eard anything from you.....what about another track like the "elephant" one you made with jean borelli...something like this.....would you try ???hehehe......
about the ideas story , maybe if you buy the cd , you have one or two free tracks on the site...something like this....but this is not a solution , this is just to thank people who buy.......
nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 19, 2004 22:48
Hi Cedric... well maybe there will be some Sheyba remixes later this year if Jean and I can find some time and sit down together and do it

Clear your inbox and send me a message so we can continue in private
olivier
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Posted : Apr 19, 2004 23:42
first of all good luck with your new label !!!
i was wondering ... as the distributors (wirikuta , cosmophilia...etc) take quite some money to distribute the cds... why not creating an online shop on the label site where we could purchase all the cds of the labels for a cheaper price than on the usual sites(psyshop , chaos,saiko ..) ??
Island
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Posted : Apr 19, 2004 23:43
Good Luck inseparable friends!!!!!!!!

Tris
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Posted : Apr 19, 2004 23:59
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Now , the website with tracks for 1 dollars i think it is a good idea , but again , to do this , i will need more time...it is not so easy to work like this...the site must be secured because of the credit card numbers , so in the end , after paying the visa company(or other...) and the company who will secure the transaction , the label will have left only 50 cts i think....



I think 1 $ a track is to much. Too much for the customer. And not enought because of the credit card cost.
I was thinking about something like 3 € an album (plz don’t scream yet). Something like 1€ for the artist, 1€ for the label, 1€ for all other cost. Maybe 4 or 5 €.
Ok, 3 € I understand it’s seems very little for you artist and labels people. But what if you sell 2, 3, 5 time more ? Maths have to be done here…

But for people, 3 € is not a lot : you support the scene and you get you're music right home from your PC.
So, all you need is a server (it cost a bit, sure enought) and all the secured credit card stuff but it's not that much if you've got volume. And if it's too much, you might add 1 € per transaction so people would make 2 or 3 download at a time...
First. Sell whole albums. An album is more than 1 track here, 2 track there. It's a whole thing. And also, you don’t end with people spending just 1 € (and giving half of it to the credit card compagny).
Second. OK, labels don’t have hundreds of album to offer at a time. Sure. But why not sell recorded live act also ? Hé, hé... Money for the artists, for the labels and, why not, for the party promoters too.... Just record it and put on a server. It cost almost nothing when you’ve got the whole thing started.... Thing about it : live acts to download any time, 1 or 2 new ones available every month, for half a pack of cigarettes each…
About copyright cost ? If it’s too expensive, forget about copyright. Make it copyleft. People copy anyway. But if it's 3 € to download they might decide to pay a little for quality instead of downloading crapy MP3 from P2P…(And you can keep the ‘bonus tracks and stickers’ idea here.)

OK. Just some ideas… Maybe not realistic at all.
But one thing I’m pretty sure about : CDs cost to much to produce and distribute. Most people will always prefer to copy or download than paying 10 or 15 €… And sell will keep going down…
Danilovix
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 00:00
I'm what can be called "the final consumer", I buy around 100 cds/year. I download many mp3 but the most are music without ideas or personality, only a continuation of "the formula", so I never will buy it.

Artwork is a good extra but no decisive, many shit music have amazing covers...

About buy mp3, personally, if I can't have a record in my hands I can't pay for a mp3.

A good way is turn down the prices a little, to 10 euros a CD, like in Phonokol or time ago in SST.
And obviously, make music with soul.

Good luck with your new label ;-)
Tris
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 00:04
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why not creating an online shop on the label site where we could purchase all the cds of the labels for a cheaper price than on the usual sites(psyshop , chaos,saiko ..) ??



It's cost a lot !
You need to be reliable and fast. You need people, office, stock...
And you've got 2 or 3 different CD to sell so most people buy them one by one. Postal fees (international) go sky hight.....
Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 00:20
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On 2004-04-19 12:59, PROSECT wrote:
buyer becomes a part of a label in some way. when he buys more cd's of some label, he gain points which give him access for downloading some cool tune once a 1-2 months or more (comparing to his status), he also can get lower prices for label parties, lower prices for a next release if he buys it from the net, even some cool t-shirt or poster of the label (or some related thing) when he buys lets say 5th or 10th release of the label will come with cd he ordered. its even can start with access to some cool wallpapers, even some small sound kits made by artists for those who create also you can add to this goodies some single cd (with no serious artwork and package), and also give opportunity to new artists on those single cd's that will be for free.



Hahaha excellent! Its the National Psychographic Society!

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Now, my rough idea... how about a subscription service for DJs? Full-on is a genre that is plagued by a few troublesome things: too much music being made, mainly for dancefloors exclusively, and interest fades too fast. Notice also the demand for unreleased, especially amongst DJs. To me, this looks like an untapped marketplace.

Imagine this: best tracks are kept for infrequent compilations. Artists save material for their solo releases. Everything else gets put on monthly CDs and sent out to paying subscriber-DJs. I have not thought too much about how payment might be done, but imagine for example that a DJ pays $100 for a six-month subscription to your label, and then receives a once-monthly plain CD with generic art/sleeve with hot new tunes? This doesn't mean you stop releasing as labels usually do, only that you tighten up quality standards and open up a new type of market on the side. I think it may satisfy the demand for unreleased/elite music, as well as solve the problem with ephemeral (short-lasting) songs released on compilations that don't sell well after a month. You can sweeten the deal by listing subscriber-DJs with contact info on your new web presence, by putting 'teaser' tracks to promote your new commercial releases, etc. You also would know exactly how many CDs to press for your monthly release based on # of subscribers, perhaps saving you money. Take a survey - can you find 200+ DJs worldwide to put up about 20 bucks a month (or whatever you find to be reasonable) for unreleased trance delivered direct to their door-step? I think you might. Anyway, as you can see I'm just running with the concept here, its yours to play with or discard.

I'm glad to hear of your melodic intentions for this new project, and good luck on it
PEACE
limbic
Limbic

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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 02:57
aboput buying the tracks from the website and dowloading them i dont see why people who dont buy things because they can have them free will now do it cause its on the net
first ones to buy will put it on the net and then what youve earned?

beleive me if u like an album u want it to be as a memory for u ,u will invest even 20 dollars
but if u like to just listen once a while and the material is not special for u, u wont spend a cent

so wake up with this download albums on the net and pay there shit

i suggest better distrbution and PR to labels instead of looking as mp3 as their problams also i saw a few articals about that mp3 is not the probalms af low selling rates and i realy think its not the problam


again i say ... cedric and all labels u want to sell more
1.top quality realeses (sound quality and musical quzlity)
2.better distrbution
3.better PR (Radio shows television flyers in parties loads of samples in your web site)

When a man is buying a cd he knows this is something he is going to use and enjoy it

when label releases shit msuic...whos gonna buy??

my way of thinking will close a lot of labels and alot of artists will kinda lose their jobs but thats the price we should pay for better scene which i think should make its progress and the labels leading this step forward
daksinamurti
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 03:10
for my opinion many labels are too far away from the party crowd.
one solution is to give cds to the doors at partys.many people you visit partys are not too much involved in the scene and dont know the infrastructure like psyshop or other stores .when a artist is booked he should bring his releases to sell them at the door.somehow big samplers with the name goa on them didnt sell to bad like the goaheads,tantrance...(all about15-20000 copys) but they also had a good distribution.
talamasca
Talamasca

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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 06:03
ok...to do a site where you can sell your cds cheaper is a cool idea...but it means that only on this site you will be abble to find the cd , because ther eis no other online shop who will agree to sell it if it is cheaper somewhere else...nobody would buy it there...so it is a big risk...a site with only one label to buy ?also , in some countries like mexico , this way is not possible because the post is not working well....(to not say it doen t work...)so you have to send it by ups or others...which means that the send is more expensive than the cd...insane !
About downloading full albums for something like 3 euros , is a possibility...we were talking about it today with Mael , but this is possible with old tracks , like if we take all the tracks we released from the beginning , and the people can choose their own compilations with tracks they missed....but for new tracks it is quite harder...and as a label , we will have to pay advances for tracks ......
but you know , i don t think the problem is really the downloading...it is more the cd copies problem...and this , whatever is the price of the cd , it will always cost more than a blank one... so i think that instead of looking for a solution about how to stop the people download or copy , it is better to think , as some of you said , how to thanks the people who support the scene by buying............the idea to put a track , or some tracks for free to download on the website once you have written the serial number of the cd you bought is for now the idea i really keep in mind........
But it is fucking great to see how much people here feel involved with this problem...i didn t know there would be so many replies and i hope that this will help , by a way or another.....
danger
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 10:33
Wooo....topic of the year

Basilisk: one of the main problem is the djs: in many country they only downloading, so just one fo them need to pay for the subscription service and he's ready to copy it to friends...

ChoBo, Danilovix: i think our releases has killer cover, both have cd case inserts and Highoctane has a sticker too

Cedric: big label association is good idea, count us in.
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daksinamurti
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 12:29
@cedric -last year it wasnt easy to got hold on your zodic cd in germany-same problem with all 3d vision stuff. it wasnt available at psyshop nor trance-shop or any local store they had it only about 3 month oafter its release.had to order it through japan or honkong
i think many had the same problem but just downloaded it.
another solution could be like some abonement.
for example you release 12 cds a year and people pay for ten or eleven in advance and get all your releases comfortable by mail.that way you only have to pay for the post-no distribution needed.
if people could get hold of releases afew days before the offical release date this could be very attractive.
boom and allthe best for your label hope to hear you in germany this summer
Trip-
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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 12:51
cedric mate... how you doing.
this is how I look at things:

i know that most ppl I know, don´t buy CDs because they are not connected to the music. it´s not special for them to have a CD like it is for me for example. of course in the last 4 years, imo, the speciality of psy scene went down - but when I look at my old CDs, it feels special to have them.

I guess ppl are more demanding today maybe. YES, thanking ppl who buy CDs from your label is a good idea. Make those ppl to feel like they are part of your label comunity.
think that if there are many labels, and they all have small buyer comunities --- the label and ppl get to be appreciated both.

the big quantity of labels and releases today, caused lack of speciality in the music itself, in the whole buying CD ritual, the over and over listening of a new release with excitment. I believe it shouldn´t be this way - but who am I and who is going to stop this? kinda hard to deal with it.

If let´s say one label does the change, let´s say mind control, would other labels follow? only if there´s money - label owners today don´t see that if the scene is improved - money issues will improve also for their own benefit. But it´s taking the hard way and no one likes it.

So let´s just hope that the new ideas here might work in reality and improve what has been lost for so long in the scene:
quality over quantity ---- REAL quality.

good luck matez.           Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA
limbic
Limbic

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Posted : Apr 20, 2004 17:01
The idea of paying in advance for 10 realeses is good only for labales if i like cedric's music and dont like mael's music which is very likely cause they have different styles
should i get maels music just because its a bit cheaper??

cedric i told distrbution!!maybe if u make labels union and distrbute togather you can get better deal with distrbutions!!seems like a very good i dea and ofcourse most important

better music!!i find it very hard to say cause i produce music and i know that if standarts will be raised ill have hard times releasing music but thats for the good of the scene!!!which we all love
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