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Labels slowing the evolution of psy?

Fragletrollet
Fragletrollet

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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 10:38
Is it only me who recieves comments on tracks I've sent to labels like this: "Great track man, really innovative and exciting, but doesnt fit the cd"?


Dont get me wrong, I think the tracks on a VA should fit together, but why refuse music because it has a different bassline or is somehow different than "mainstream" darkpsy/etc? Many of my friends with exciting new sounds, fresh from old psypatterns and such, are most of the time being refused by labels, cause they think its too strange etc.



Psychedelia died when people restrained it...



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Dogon
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 10:41
This has been the story since last coupla years mate.... you are right, there are many labels like that..... sadly           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
Xolvexs
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 10:51
well the greatest thing about rejection is that it allows people to reinvent themselves. that said some of the most popular counter-culture movement started because of rejects...those who rejected regular life became the Hippies, beatniks etc...those who rejected corporation etc started Greenpeace...rejection will lead you to something better...something like a crazy underground label...so the only music you would reject is someone elses and not yours           When death comes to your doorstep, make sure you are alive
Outolintu
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 10:58
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On 2007-11-05 10:41, Dogon wrote:
This has been the story since last coupla years mate



i'd say this has been the story since 1999... but have no fear the pendulum is already swinging back to the time of innovative and interesting (=psychedelic?)music.
          "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
Dogon
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 11:10
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On 2007-11-05 10:58, Outolintu wrote:
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but have no fear the pendulum is already swinging back to the time of innovative and interesting (=psychedelic?)music.




Amen           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
Fragletrollet
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 11:14
Hope so. But I wonder why labels are going this way, psychedelia + rules = no good mix.



I think in the future ill just release all my tracks on a website or something. Releasing on labels takes forever most of the time too... No fun releasing a track when it shows up a year later when the effect of suprise is gone cause it has been held on to too long....?


I'm looking forward to the day we can exchange our personal achievements in the same way as money does the work for us today Free flow!           http://www.myspace.com/fragletrollet
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 11:27
Its not about setting rules or boundaries. I end up having to write mails such as the one above due to being flooded with music every day. When I'm in the process of making a compilation I have an idea about the direction I want to take. And sure enough many of the tracks I receive dont fit into that idea. Occasionaly a track will turn up and help me expand my original idea but more often than not, it simply doesnt fit.
Add to that the incredible amount of people who send music that clearly has nothing to do with the label's general direction.

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Outolintu
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 11:30
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On 2007-11-05 11:14, Fragletrollet wrote:
why labels are going this way, psychedelia + rules = no good mix.



there will be and always have been rules.
some labels have looser rules than others.
rules=label profile.

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I think in the future ill just release all my tracks on a website or something.



yup. been thinking about this option a lot lately. it's the only way to freely write music. no pressure, no anticipations, no money, no deals just creativity and fun.

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I'm looking forward to the day we can exchange our personal achievements in the same way as money does the work for us today Free flow!



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Yidam
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 11:43
well .. many artists don't realize thats its the labels that should be licking their balls and not vice versa.

@ fragletrollet... releasing on your own website is a great idea. the finnish psy crew (who play a big part in todays psy renaissance) survived on doing that while the rest of the psy scene bickered their way to this craptastic situation. its only now that they're finally getting the attention they deserve.
your works got a very unique style too... pls don't change it for anyone but yourself. speedwontokillyou

anyway... a true artist's goal should be an album. most VAs are just another label promotional method dependent on the mood of the compiler. some DJ telling an artist how to make their music? comonnn!

Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 12:10
It is of course much harder to compile a CD if the material is not similar and following a certain pattern.
Also DJ's want material that fit together because then it's easier to make a coherent mix.
Hence we get very dominant trends and if you don't follow them as an artist it can be difficult to get recognition.
I much prefer when a compilation or DJ set manages to put together tracks with more varied style in to a whole, but that is a rare skill unfortunately.

Anyway, I'm glad there is artists like you who refuse to follow trends to get a bit of extra recognition.
I find little released music that really grab me, it sounds like it was all shaped in the same plastic mould and I need some originality.

You are doing some great work IMO, so keep it up and let the labels worry about keeping up with your sounds instead of the other way around.
Your always welcome to submit some demos to resonantearth if you have tracks you would like to get out there that you don't find any labels that want.



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gaspard
Yab Yum

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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 12:10
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On 2007-11-05 11:43, Yidam wrote:
well .. many artists don't realize thats its the labels that should be licking their balls and not vice versa.

anyway... a true artist's goal should be an album. most VAs are just another label promotional method dependent on the mood of the compiler. some DJ telling an artist how to make their music? comonnn!





1-Sorry but I don't think anyone should be licking anyone's balls...

2-Some dj telling an artist how to make their music?? What are you on about mate? If I like a track I ll take it, if I dont I wont, simple as that. No-one's asking anyone to change anything.


If artists get the feeling that they should change their style to sell their music, that's their decision to make.



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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 12:30
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On 2007-11-05 10:38, Fragletrollet wrote:
Is it only me who recieves comments on tracks I've sent to labels like this: "Great track man, really innovative and exciting, but doesnt fit the cd"?



We get that too ... we get executives saying that we are "too bangin"!

We are yet to figure out what "too bangin" means!!!????

But that's okay, we LOVE creating music even if it's too bangin, we love listening to it! So don't worry Fragg, as long as you love what you are doing, you will touch people with your music. Energy never goes unreceived by an emotion.

We are listening to one of your tunes and it rocks!! Don't stop just because it's not your time yet.

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Yidam
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 12:31
gaspard... the peak VAs are the rare ones worth buying these days so I'm guessing you guys do something differently.

1. about licking balls. well, its somewhat of an inyour face statement but after watching labels owners pushing their weight and stupid artists clamoring to be acknowledged, I think artists need to understand what their music should be worth. IMO ... creation of music gets precedence over management of a label.
I was doing the label thing last year and my conclusion is that there is nothing to be made off compilations. Apart from a few labels that do it right the whole concept of VAs should just be boycotted... its just destroying the business and quality of sound. Netlabel VAs... the only saving grace.

2. aaaaah... you're a patient one then. most DJs who are compiling CDs now are not doing it for the artists but for the label and their own gig bookings. You're somewhat in middle territory with Yab Yum but take a look at the rest... most labelheads are just DJs and that ratrace is very different. If you pay 600 euro for a track you can get most of it customized to fit your Deejaying style. Thats the reality thats creates commercial music.

Anyway, my intention is to boost the confidence of artists who make music that reflect their own personality. Even if production is not up to par the intention is, and thats the means to magical music.
pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 12:31
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On 2007-11-05 10:58, Outolintu wrote:
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On 2007-11-05 10:41, Dogon wrote:
This has been the story since last coupla years mate



i'd say this has been the story since 1999... but have no fear the pendulum is already swinging back to the time of innovative and interesting (=psychedelic?)music.




So labels didn't reject music before 1999?           DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Outolintu
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 13:09
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On 2007-11-05 12:31, pr0fane wrote:
So labels didn't reject music before 1999?



no, they didn't
what i meant (and i think you know what i meant) was that the turn of the millenium started the whole not so psy psy-trance thingy with prog trance followed by full on etc with stricter, narrower, more "commercial" label profiles and a growing interest in sales and not originality and musical evolution (which is understandable from some point since all the great labels had more or less collapsed after releasing very cutting edge and futuristic sounds).

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