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Labels slowing the evolution of psy?
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aXis
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Posted : May 2, 2008 07:03
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and the answer to the question is Yes.
Labels suck !! thy are just feedint their own egos 
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : May 2, 2008 12:37
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On 2007-11-05 10:38, Fragletrollet wrote:
Is it only me who recieves comments on tracks I've sent to labels like this: "Great track man, really innovative and exciting, but doesnt fit the cd"?
Dont get me wrong, I think the tracks on a VA should fit together, but why refuse music because it has a different bassline or is somehow different than "mainstream" darkpsy/etc? Many of my friends with exciting new sounds, fresh from old psypatterns and such, are most of the time being refused by labels, cause they think its too strange etc.
Psychedelia died when people restrained it...
Whats your thoughts on this matter?
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DOn't worry man we get this all the time since we make such a different sound that the normal fullon formula and we realise it is so different so fuck it, i am sure one day we will find a label who will apreciate our music like the people who listen to it! Also there are so many labels i am sure that like in music many are just there to make money of the people who follow the mainstream music and that like in music few are really there for love of the music or for looking at new music. Today everything is much more difficult cause there are too many of everything! Unfortunatley too much people trying to make money from a dieing scene of freaks...
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aXis
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Posted : May 2, 2008 13:22
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mista soul kountackt it aint the way u talk . People release only their friends or friends friends and maybe one kdd or silent horror to make it loook killlllarghhh . Little do they kno how much puke's been reeleasing left right n centre and most new good music is floating undiscovered or freee. |
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : May 2, 2008 15:15
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I think most of the time when a label says "This track doesn't fit in with the VA" it's just a polite manner of saying "I don't really like the track OR I don't really want it?"
I mean what are you guys expecting, a VA can hold 10 tracks, and is usually moulded according to the Taste of the person compiling it, who probably has to choose from 30 odd traxx, many of which maybe unusual. From these 30, you choose 10, you have 20 traxx left over for which you gotto make an excuse for not wanting to take.
For all the people who think that Labels are slowing down the scene, or that Labels aren't really required..... this is what I have to say. It is a pocket of people who have access to unreleased music..the rest who aren't entirely involved in the scene, or are not spending a better part of their day online networikng with artists and checking trance forums repeatedly..they depend on cds for their dose of music. So what's all the bitching about anyways?? The trick is to find a label who works with what a particular artist has to offer.
I completely disagree with the notion that innovative music and new sounds work against an artist. This is bull shit. If the artist is making music purely out of a need to create and not out of a need to be known or even released, then no one wold be whining about this. But usually, artists as well, want to be released, sooner than later, even if they do not have a completely supreme product. SO there are 2 sides to this coin. Even if one's music is innovative, doesn't mean it's good.
I know there is a bOOM of labels recently, but at the same time the number of labels has grown at a marginally less rate than the number of people making Psytrance and wanting to be released. So offcourse there is going to be alot of rejection. Prior to 1999 there wasn't alot of people making this kind of music, there were not so many labels, so life was alot easier.
On 2007-11-05 11:14, Fragletrollet wrote:
I think in the future ill just release all my tracks on a website or something. Releasing on labels takes forever most of the time too... No fun releasing a track when it shows up a year later when the effect of suprise is gone cause it has been held on to too long....?
As an artist, if your music is timeless, as all good music should be, the time factor of releasing should not even be a question. I still purchase classical music, it has nothing to do with "getting old". Things "get old" if they are created to suit a particular trend. And this is the crux of the matter. I think most people here don't really care about whether the music is good or not...alot of the people just want to have music that other's don't have. The moment everyone has it, it's old, it's boring, it's worthless.
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illusions
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Its like with any form of music days - you need to find a label that believes in your music, that thinks it might have mass appeal at some point, so a profit can be made. The labels invest a decent amount of money to put out those compilations, and most of them are obviously only going to put tracks on there that know will sell. You might think the track is good, the label owner might think the track is good, but 90% of the people on the dancefloor think its crap. Where does that leave anyone ? With your hands in your pants and 1000 CD's on your living room table.
The future is in online shops for single tracks. Entire albums could still be done the traditional way when you and your label are sure you have enough of a fan following to make it all worth everyones while.
There are enough online psytrance MP3 shops these days - use them for your singles people. I'm sure they arent going to say 'its not really our style' 
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 2, 2008 22:24
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@Fria Tantrumm
I guess you never ran a label and you don't DJ?
I do like to find new sounds, but it is hard to integrate them to compilation or a set if they don't fit with anything else.
It is possible to blend a lot of quite diverse tracks together well, but it's harder than if you go for one style for sure.
But even finding a bunch of very diverse tracks is hard, and if you have 9 tracks in the same style adding another track that is really different just doesn't work.
I know it with my own tracks as well...of course I like to play them when I DJ, but I do find it really hard because they are quite different style than the rest of the material I manage to find.
So I do think the issue fraggletrollet describe is very real. A label cannot base their sound on one artist, even if they really like the sound.
It has to somehow work together as a whole which does create an inertia in the trends of the music.
@illusions
I really like the idea of single tracks, but my experience with resonantearth is that tracks on compilations or albums sell and spread many times more, even if the tracks all are available as singles as well.
I much prefer to be able to put up a track straight after mastering, but unless it's on a "release" very few people will find it.
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Posted : May 4, 2008 06:52
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if you go to saikosounds, since last saturday there have been 18 new albums released! 18 albums in one week is an absurdity. Until there is less music released any discussion along these lines is simply going to be talking in circles. I mean comeon, if you can't get your music released its because its beyond shit and you should spend more time crafting something "good". If you think its because your unbelievable originality is being shunned by the psytrance community, you seriously need medication to suppress the delusional thought patterns.
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 4, 2008 19:52
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If you think quantity equals diversity I would say you are delusional.
I just find it quit puzzling how anyone that done compiling of tracks in any form can say that if it is good it will be released and played...in reality there is certainly other criteria involved than how good the track is.
When I have sessions listening trough recent releases I usually find a handful of tracks out of many hundreds of tracks that don't fit in to the standard moulds of full-on, dark or prog.
I guess everyone have different criteria for what they think is original sounding music, but personally I think there are very very few labels that have a sound that really set them apart from others, and then they still of course are looking for artists that fit into their sound.
As for labels that mange to compile quite diverse tracks into something good I can't think of any.
For a track to work in the context of a compilation, album or DJ set there is a critical mass of tracks with a compatible sound that has to be reached.
It doesn't matter if you have 10 or a billion other tracks to choose from, the critical mass is still the same.
As an example I can think of an old Steptime track we did about 2000, Grimner: http://www.resonantearth.com/getDownload.php?fileName=steptime_grimner.mp3&trackID=75
Both me and the other half of the project, stone age label owner Jonas, really loved the track and it actually sparked the idea for a compilation with only really dark tracks. But even when setting out to make a compilation in that style there simply was not enough tracks that would fit with it so in the end it was never released....and we also very rarely played it in DJ or Live sets.
Not because we thought it was "beyond shit", but because it was hard to fit with anything else.
It really not an issue about if I get my music released or not, I'm happy with having it on resonantearth and on the rare occasion when I get contacted by labels I tell them I only release with them if I get a big advance or the licensing is open.
But as a listener and DJ I would love to see more labels and DJ's that try to have a more diverse sound instead on making sure that the tracks fit together because they are almost identical.
It's harder, but it's a lot more interesting when it works.
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k.t
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Posted : May 5, 2008 03:01
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fria tantrumm owns tantrumm records bro.
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Braindrop
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Posted : May 5, 2008 07:42
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On 2008-05-02 15:15, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
As an artist, if your music is timeless, as all good music should be, the time factor of releasing should not even be a question. I still purchase classical music, it has nothing to do with "getting old". Things "get old" if they are created to suit a particular trend. And this is the crux of the matter. I think most people here don't really care about whether the music is good or not...alot of the people just want to have music that other's don't have. The moment everyone has it, it's old, it's boring, it's worthless.
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+1. It really is absurd.... If ppl really rnt really bothered abt releasing.... then why was the topic started in the first place?
Labels r this.... labels r that.... blah blah.... do a favor then..... just release all ur music for free online ..... then u guys wldnt whine!
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ouroboros
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Posted : May 5, 2008 13:29
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1) wot if someone is making music, and is aware that he is making some good music, how should he go ahead n make his music sell n reach the masses??
Everyone who is into music production and is spending some quality time creating something innovative wishes to have a release sooner or later. If his music is never appreciated or released then i dont think this scene will ever grow as other genres have.
2) as Fragletrollet said...many labels say n comment that the music is good, but never end up releasing their track. And they would never stop promising the new talents abt releasing their track. wot is the other way out for these new talents?? should they continue making music n live in a not so sure hope that someday their music would be appreciated n would be heared by many ppl around the globe.
3) As far as quality music is concerned, many a times outta the 10 tracks on a compilation, 2 or 3 trks follow the same usual boring style with nothing psychedelic or innovative in them. And the best part is....these artists never find it difficult to release their shit music jus coz they've become a lil famous.
I completely agree that as a label owner everyone wants their album to be a good seller, and for that you need good n famous artists. So go ahead select a few big names but at the same time why dont label owners add a few new names to their tracklist who have the potential and plus are much more psychedelic n innovative than the usual artists featured. By this it will not only help promote the scene by bringing in competition but in turn it encourages other ppl to keep tryin n make something better.
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razzz_
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Posted : May 5, 2008 14:03
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On 2008-05-05 13:29, ouroboros wrote: So go ahead select a few big names but at the same time why dont label owners add a few new names to their tracklist who have the potential and plus are much more psychedelic n innovative than the usual artists featured. By this it will not only help promote the scene by bringing in competition but in turn it encourages other ppl to keep tryin n make something better.
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idd.... there have been compilations with almost no "famous artists" that got voted comp of the year.. just look at VA - Schizm (GI'IWA Records)
many of the compilers should be ashamed to put so many bad tracks on a compilation...
they have totally taken away my love for darkpsy,full on and progressive trance.
Maybe they shouldn't care about who they know and which artists make the comp sell and just release good music, cause good music will make your release sell.
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ouroboros
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Posted : May 5, 2008 14:48
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@ razz mayb ur right when it comes to releases such as the one u mentioned...n the compilation u've mentioned is a very old one...i.e. frm the yr 2004
but my main concern was regarding the bigger label names that everyone around the globe is aware of. Not every label is helping the genre by supporting new talented upcoming acts....usually u wud see the same old names with their same old similar styles n pattern with a few new sounds.... there is nothing new in their work tat u cud praise abt n say WOW...apart frm a few artists who always deliver some mind bending experiences such as KDD, fractal cowboys, psykovsky, alien mental etc etc
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Posted : May 5, 2008 17:04
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On 2007-11-09 04:31, psyderella wrote:
Excuuuuse me,are u the same guy who had 2 spactacular tracks released at 2 0f the best compilations of 2007,or i'll have to laugh for this is candid camera??-well,it has crossed my mind.. 
my point??hell of a beginning my dear Magnus,i'm sure u found ur way through releasing already-i can understand ur eager to get ur stuff published,it's the same eager u know when people listening to a great track from a comp. hoping for more from the arist-
so,stop bitching about @ if u want the whole deal,cook ur debut @ bring da noise to the crowd! 
there's always plenty of room for masterpiece albums and u have the tallent to compose serious profound & more importand,UNDERSTANDABLE,shit u know.
so just,'tell ur own story' babe from Alpha to Ůmega,u'll be surprised how many of us like to listen to fairytales! 
i'm sure the labels as well..
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u thief...stoled my words 
i'm completely down with u bro..
and..find a job to make money..and compose music to do all the rest..
bolenath!
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sHiVaMoOon
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Posted : May 6, 2008 09:24
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I agree with Fria and Erebus over here, i think they put it in a nutshell from a label manager's point of view as well as from an upcoming artists point of view.
If you heroes think your music is so hot, then just start your own label and push that super fresh psychedelic sound that you claim to have. All you need to do is pay for mastering, i'm sure you hot shot audio engineer's can take care of that. Fin ding a suitable distributor to press your cd's for you and then charging the pressing costs to your sales is not that hard either. Would love to see how your super fresh sound even cover's the pressing and mastering costs without a good label promoting you as well as backing you. In the end the label takes all the risk and they mostly lose money hand over fist, the main reason some of them are still in the industry is because of their love for the music.
So quit griping if no one is buying your tracks, release them yourself. Spend more time learning to market yourself and your music as well as more about the music industry instead of whining on forums.
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