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LABELS DAMAGED OR NO

Mystical Moonsun Project
Mystical Moonsun Project

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 06:42:01
hi just wanted to offer some time to make some conversation about labels and how they run as u know labels are realy difficult
rule 1 distribution as the rights to sell
and sell from 200 to 1000 max ..and this it top, today a new artist askes 2000 euro and up some 3000 to 4000 just to release there album
,even though there music can be killer sometimes there is no solution in making the money back ul pay cose a label will need to make artwork mastering and also all promo so u need 4000 lets say for a good artist plus all mabe 5000 to 6000 , if a distribution sell 800 of that they keep 300 as the cds they printed so ul get 500 left which is usaly about 5-6 euros a cd u get reaches,2500 to 3000 so u get half ure money back
in this way half the labels own money to artists and bla bla what we see on net, so i just want to offer as a label owner that trance is dead in general other people are getting the money so this why most close or are in bad situation,at the moment i held my label with lost of my money and thank god i had some cose others mite not so that makes it worst.... i just hope artist wake up and rspect the promo labels give them and they make money from gigs after...and stop fighting again people that have helped in past cose 1 day all will stop if this continues,all will change style or music....
if u have any coments on my post or something to add id be happy to hear and share ure feelings......           http://www.myspace.com/mysticalmoonsunproject
www.moonsun-records.com
mk47
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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 06:47
you owe someone money ?
Kormaduerg


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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 07:50



u mean to say that wannabe labels are damaged ?



Mike A
Subra

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 09:38
4000 eur for a new artist?
heh
mk47
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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 10:17
lol .. backfire
Mystical Moonsun Project
Mystical Moonsun Project

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 10:37
if u read what u wrote ul get the idea of what im saying
and the prices are metaforical they can be lower or more.and now i dont own to any 1 ,i always pay my deats.in life ,the piont is why artist and labels cannot copunicate when they see that label are not all rich
and some are smaller and some are larger..so they can understand..all labels soon will mostly close since i know 2-3 big 1s that soon will be in electro,and more will change my postes are not coplains ,there just to see what is more resnable to offer on both side,so i need some opinions and some serious posts..           http://www.myspace.com/mysticalmoonsunproject
www.moonsun-records.com
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 14:10
I understand that it's very hard to make profit for a label, and even to make ends meet so you can pay the artists.

But labels usually manage to pay the CD pressing, mastering and artwork and distribution as well as shops do make money from the releases.
For some reason though the artists is the ones that does not get paid if there is not enough left after everyone else had their share.

So I would never release music on a commercial label as promotion and not expect payment myself.
I don't mind giving away music for free, but I do mind that others make money from my work while I get next to nothing.

It's not hard these days to get music spread without labels and distributors, so if the purpose is promotion rather than making money I much rather give away my music than have listeners pay a lot of money for a CD, many times with the intention of "supporting the scene", when in fact all they are supporting is a outdated business model who doesn't really provide anything of value to the scene.
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 14:30
first thing , a good label should be able to sell 1000 copies , its not as hard as to fly to the moon ha , and if mankind did that im sure its possible to sell abit more (also i know as fact alot of labels numbers)

ok lets start with some math ok
2000$ music
300$ cover
500$ mastering
1000$ promo banners etc.

3800$ right?

sell your 1000 copies get the 7.5$ on each (-200 copies for printing fee) its 6000$ there you go you made more then the artist , but hey , u have to do your job first and sell the cd

as some suggestions:

arrange 'realese party' where evryone gets a cd in the ticket price , and your artist have a gig (dont you think they will give low track prices if you make bookings also?)

make all your tracks are available as single mp3 files for purchase (any big label does it)

how much promotion is for you alot ? (did i miss it or did you had banners in all sites and magazines..

who are the artists you sign ?? i its x-dream i dont think all you can sell is 400
offcourse if its some 20 years old that just started a year ago , it wont sell as respected proffessional artists , and it makes sense no?

anyhow , less labels around will solve the problem , and will raise the averege quality of realeses          www.sattelbattle.com
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Basilisk
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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 15:15
Quote:

On 2008-03-10 06:42:01, Mystical Moonsun Project wrote:
i just want to offer as a label owner that trance is dead in general



I don't think so.
a3k
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 16:17
^^ i also agree with Basilisk.
i don´t it is dead, so how can festivals have an audience of 10 000 people?or boom in 2006 that had 30 000 people?
i reckon it has some problems, but i asure it is alive and it is breathing.
the thing is that it isn´t related to it´s orginal form, to it´s original birth, but it still is going.           ...
ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 18:25
Quote:

On 2008-03-10 14:30, Elad wrote:
ok lets start with some math ok
2000$ music
300$ cover
500$ mastering
1000$ promo banners etc.

3800$ right?

sell your 1000 copies get the 7.5$ on each (-200 copies for printing fee) its 6000$ there you go you made more then the artist , but hey , u have to do your job first and sell the cd



U need the distribution costs also(wich here in Brazil is a lot)....

At the end imho u need more than 800 copies for a nice profit... Also label office has others costs like internet, telephone, wich will possible lead for negative bank account.

So maybe the author´s has a point, althought I would prefer thinking that we need new ideas about it.

And yes, trance is not 100% dead.           LOADING...
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 18:52
Quote:

On 2008-03-10 18:25, SMS wrote:

U need the distribution costs also(wich here in Brazil is a lot)....


$7.50 sound like a reasonable amount to get paid from the distributor, so distribution costs is not extra on top of that.

But it's like you say other costs involved apart from the big obvious ones (apart from the ones you mentioned you also have for example delivery of CD's from CD press to distributor, maybe mechanical royalties and website), and it's for sure not many labels that manage to pay $2000 to the artists as well as keep a profit of $2200 on 1000 sold CD's.

And with less than 1000 copies sold it's hard to break even since the pressing cost per CD goes up quite a lot then since the cost for glass master is fixed.
And I don't think that selling 1000 copies is easy, at least not if you don't have extremely popular artists.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 18:52
What is almost death is physical distribution: prints, cases and distribution make it much more expensive that digital.

I think digital is the way to and also selling individual tracks will increase profits since people are more willing to spend for 3 or 4 tracks an album rader than 10 por tracks that they dont like.

MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 19:42
Quote:


On 2008-03-10 14:30, Elad wrote:
ok lets start with some math ok
2000$ music
300$ cover
500$ mastering
1000$ promo banners etc.

3800$ right?

sell your 1000 copies get the 7.5$ on each (-200 copies for printing fee) its 6000$ there you go you made more then the artist , but hey , u have to do your job first and sell the cd







i dont know many artists when u say good names that take 2000 i know good good ask 4000 and more
like homemega 1s or bne 1s and i dont know there sales ,but i know some good names that sold 700
800 cds from there albums and asked 4000 to release it in a big label and the label lots but waits mabe sells in future ....so i dont know if all labels is same cose some have there own distributions ,,what about the others that dont?
MishaCore
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 10, 2008 22:40
can anyone enlighten me a litte and elaborate on the first stage that Elad wrote - the music itself... what exactly did he mean? the printing of CD's or what? sorry for the ignorance...

anyway let's say one is making his own artwork and mastering, that's roughly 800-1000$ less for the label, they won't mind won't they?
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