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Is there any demand for 24-bit WAV files?
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acidkills
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 18:42
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On 2008-01-20 17:19, UnderTow wrote:
192Khz is pure marketing spin.
Feel free to ask any questions if anything is unclear. 
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Does anyone has ESI Juli@ and records at 192 KHz/32bit? If this is really a marketing spin than I can easily return my card and throw it to sellers face! I wanna record in 192KHz 32 bit but I cant record even on 48000 Hz without a crackle.. What could be the problem? That marketing trick?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 20:02
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No need to throw anything at anyone's face. The guy in the seller probably has no idea. Can't really blame him when nearly all the manufacturers are on the same marketing trip.
32 bit is pointless for recording. 192Khz is also pointless IMO. 96/88.2Khz is questionable with electronic music.
As for crackling... that is a different thing altogether. It could be anything in your setup causing this. This isn't the right thread to discuss that.
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 03:18
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+1 undertow
I only wish modern PA systems had a noise floor low enough so that we could all hear the full, hi-fi dynamic range provided by 16-bit files!
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xrust
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 03:28
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On 2008-01-28 18:42, acidkills wrote:
Does anyone has ESI Juli@ and records at 192 KHz/32bit? If this is really a marketing spin than I can easily return my card and throw it to sellers face! I wanna record in 192KHz 32 bit but I cant record even on 48000 Hz without a crackle.. What could be the problem? That marketing trick?
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i have this crappy soundcard and i have hugecrashing problems,also loosind grivers quite often...and for gods sake NO DAMN HEADPHONE OUT????
(ok i was young and stupid and broke when i bought it,but dont do the same mistake)
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 06:58
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On 2008-01-28 03:35, Basilisk wrote:
MP3: 836
16-Bit WAV: 324
24-Bit WAV: 54
Total: 1,215
Few people seem interested in the 24-bit WAV package but there is some demand at least...
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Ah real numbers, great! Still, I suspect some people will just select the 24 bits files simply because they are available (without really knowing the implications). I doubt there would be any complaints if there where only 16 bit files available which is the real test IMO. |
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You're probably right... I think what would be really useful here is a succinct, entry-level, non-technical (as much as possible) primer explaining the issue... do you know of any good links that might qualify? Or would you be interested in writing such a thing? I would, but I don't have the requisite expertise. Well, it's a thought
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 16:12
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On 2008-01-28 18:42, acidkills wrote:
Does anyone has ESI Juli@ and records at 192 KHz/32bit? If this is really a marketing spin than I can easily return my card and throw it to sellers face! I wanna record in 192KHz 32 bit but I cant record even on 48000 Hz without a crackle.. What could be the problem? That marketing trick?
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i have this crappy soundcard and i have hugecrashing problems,also loosind grivers quite often...and for gods sake NO DAMN HEADPHONE OUT????
(ok i was young and stupid and broke when i bought it,but dont do the same mistake)
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I have it also,... and i´m VERY satisfied. Why u need headphone out?, that i have on my little mixer,... Also, no problems with drivers or crasching. Ivé used it both on Vista and XP. No issues really. It has really low noice and nice straight fequency spectrum.. |
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Braindrop
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 20:09
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Phew... After reading all this im scared to even make a track now lol !!
But great information... and a great thread!
I guess its abt time to setup an Isratrance school. There wldnt be any shortage of recruits and prolly the best info in any form lol.
Thanks guys... keep em coming!
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 4, 2008 23:54
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On 2008-01-19 20:32, Mtz Mtzz wrote:
no..for sure..a good choice of tracks is essential..
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So just to make sure I get this right...
You choose your tracks in advance and you call that DJ'ing?
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preparing trax is just like playing a prerecorded cd 
Better to read the dancefloor and pick em on the fly =)
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 11:38
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On 2008-01-18 21:21, Mtz Mtzz wrote:
i agree with mubali..and even wonder why cd is still so popular..i mean..a dvd can go up to 24 bit 96khz in stereo..so why do we still use cds instead of dvds..like i do not if the new pioneers can play dvds but that would be a logical step i think..greez
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+1!!!
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You wonder why the CD is so popular still?
I think you'll find that the general public simply isn't demanding. They prefer simplicity over quality and if a new format looks (physically) the same as a CD, and offers no determinable sound difference on their crappy home hi-fi or after it gets mangled by compression to ipod friendly format, they won't buy into it.
Quality sometimes never even matters with formats..
VHS vs Betamax - Betamax superior picture, VHS better marketing.
CD wins over Cassette - because it really was a huge step forward. CD's don't need rewinding, better sound, and they were marketed as indestructible.
To the layperson higher quality DVD-A vs CD.. whats the point, CDs sound fine. Besides, everything these days is squashed into oblivion, so what's the point of an increased dynamic range.
DJ's playing DVD's.. I think you'll find that thats for video playback. Or putting lots more MP3's on a disc. If it IS for DVD music playback, you'll never hear the difference in a club.
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In fact, It's pretty obvious IMO why CD is still so popular, but I wonder why DVD-A 24-bits is (still) not!! It is so easy nowadays to achieve great 24/96 quality, there MUST be a market for low price DVD-A readers I'm sure! And that would be a step towards regaining the quality we had in the analog times we lost when CD became unchallanged.
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Posted : Feb 5, 2008 14:30
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In fact, It's pretty obvious IMO why CD is still so popular, but I wonder why DVD-A 24-bits is (still) not!! It is so easy nowadays to achieve great 24/96 quality, there MUST be a market for low price DVD-A readers I'm sure! And that would be a step towards regaining the quality we had in the analog times we lost when CD became unchallanged.
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Yes lets go back to good old tape. Did you read the other posts?
The marketing daemons have done a good job if people think that "low price DVD-A readers" will sound better than quality CD player converters...
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 14:50
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The marketing daemons have done a good job if people think that "low price DVD-A readers" will sound better than quality CD player converters...
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"low price" as in mass production, buddy... |
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vegetal
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 15:44
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The marketing daemons have done a good job if people think that "low price DVD-A readers" will sound better than quality CD player converters...
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"low price" as in mass production, buddy...
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You don´t think that quality of a product will suffer when you mass produce something?
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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 16:15
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the difference between 24 and 16 bit is dynamic range as undertow said. but we don't need no dynamic range, we all master our tracks to the max. the only difference is on breaks or fade ins but no one will notice that unless he knows that (placebo).
for processing yeah you need 24 bit and maybe 32bit but on already over-compressed music it's pointless!
numbers are placebos... never forget this when producing.
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acidkills
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 19:08
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but I want even placebo effect, I dont care.. I just wanna see it records in 192/32 and I would sit back comfortably and completely satisfied..
Anyways, now I know why technical service didnt respond to my mail, cause theyre marketing demons!
Argh.. And sellers who dont know what theyre selling.. To be worse I waited for that card for 6 months.. And now I cant record even in 48000, so frustrated..
Im gona throw my self of a cliff..
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