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Is 2007 the year the CD died?
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mouka
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Posted : Feb 26, 2007 21:51
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What do you think as a music lover consumer, an artist or label owner about this? The fact is that cd sales will decline even more this year. Most of the labels don't sell over 300 copies of their releases. I don't want to debate about the money side of this but about the creative/cultural consequences.
"People shoot MANY MORE digital photos than they ever did film ones. People will own MUCH more music than they did in the physical era". This is good or not?
Labels will slowly disappear and who will perform the main function of a label: FILTERING?
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Element of Time.net
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Nah, CD has not died and it will not die anytime soon. What we are seeing is basically a slow shift to digital sales, but nothing noteworthy to report from our limited scope of the situation. The harsh reality is people won’t pay when they can download something for free, and those who respect themselves as hardened Dj’s that only play Wav, well consider yourself the minority.
So what is happening with labels? In the future we are going to see a shift from labels to management agencies for artists. People that handle bookings and PR for an artists. Unfortunately, this is not going to be much of a business for many people because the genre is simply not known enough so that every label can make a living out of this, we rely on music sales a lot and the market is not there.
It’s time to open your eyes and realize what is happening, a lot of labels are disappearing but this is something nobody is proud to announce, so you just stop hearing from them. Nowadays the most successful labels out there are the ones that are running distribution affairs themselves, because there isn’t enough sales to give everyone a share. So corners get cut, quality diminishes and then you wonder where the hell this scene is going. But this topic is not about sales right? Is about the death of the CD and role of labels.
Music sales are becoming more and more about propaganda, exposure if you will. Few artists out there care about sales of their first or second album, what is important is the gig afterwards in Japan or right around the corner, who cares. This is the bit counts nowadays. And I guess there is nothing wrong with that system, except a lot of things will need to change in the coming years and they will be changing out necessity, some of things will be good, some will be bad, but very few people care enough to actually try to make difference.
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dhaturaaaa
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Posted : Feb 27, 2007 05:09
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if it can destroy , it can also rise from the ashes , thats all , counter protected steps in future technology will eventually lead to some sort of a recording medium which will not permit the user to re record or copy the medium to another medium , some how the copyright laws will also play a role and eleminate , keep faith in technology to develop,
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 00:20
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CD sales and not only are dying every day over and over again.
People just dont buy music that they can get for free (please dont come up with digital distribution that will save the world because this is a nice fairy tale for kids) since the ADSL became easily and cheap available for almost everyone around the planet.
And its not only music that people dont buy,very few people buy/rent movies since they prefer downloading them for free even before they are released,even fewer buy video games and everything that has to do with cd/dvd is dying day by day.
The effects of this situation will soon (4-5 years in my humble opinion) be visible when small and big companies will close their doors and when the very very big companies will come up with new ideas to protect their products,so dont get suprised if in the future some movies will come up just for cinema playing or some video games will be only distributed on the internet on weekly/monthly chapters for a small fee and with specific codes and stuff that will operate just on one computer or something.
You can milk the cow everyday but you got to feed her from time to time....
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faxinadu
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 01:01
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Nurbs
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 01:05
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 02:12
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On 2007-02-28 00:20, DETOX wrote:
please dont come up with digital distribution that will save the world because this is a nice fairy tale for kids
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Donno about saving the world, but to generate some money I think Steve Jobs believes in that fairy-tale, and he's an adult.
DRM is a problem though, which also Steve acknowledges:
www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
He's also been wanting to lower the prices, but also there the labels have been objecting.
So we have yet to see serious efforts on DRM free music shops with reasonable prices, and until we have that it's hard to tell how much digital downloads people really are prepared to buy.
Hoping to get many people to pay the same or more than for a track on CD to get a file of the same quality as illegal downloads only that is less flexible and less compatible across different platforms is maybe not realistic though.
I think although we like to see this scene as progressive and high-tech it seems to me like it's rather quite conservative, so it will be quite a while before we see digital downloads replacing CD's I beleive.
Most of the music I would guess is sold to either DJ's or collectors, none of which is willing to adopt downloads yet even if they would be offered at a reasonable price.
But CD's still sell in general...just not for psytrance.
An over saturated market, low popularity amongst casual record buyers in countries with high purchasing power, lack of lables with serious promotional efforts...there is many reasons why that could be.
But for the music industry in general download sales has doubled in 2006 to around 10% of the total sales according to the IFPI, and if they would offer a service that is better instead of worse than the illegal alternatives that could rise even faster I would think.
That 1 in 10 already prefers to buy their music as a download even if it's mostly lowish bitrate lossy compression files with DRM at a price close to getting it on CD is a quite clear indication that it's not a fairy-tale that there is already a market for digital downloads.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 02:54
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 10:25
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On 2007-02-28 00:20, DETOX wrote:
The effects of this situation will soon (4-5 years in my humble opinion) be visible when small and big companies will close their doors and when the very very big companies will come up with new ideas to protect their products,so dont get suprised if in the future some movies will come up just for cinema playing or some video games will be only distributed on the internet on weekly/monthly chapters for a small fee and with specific codes and stuff that will operate just on one computer or something.
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Not sure. Too much people are hating DRM. Once someone figures out how to make money out of it without DRM, all will follow and we will have our freedom. Not sure how and when, but this will happen.
I mean, no one would buy a car if he couldn't let his family drive it whenever he wants, right? Same thing.
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vegetal
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 11:23
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 12:02
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I'm doing my contribution to keep the CD format alive, are you?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 15:17
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On 2007-02-28 12:02, spytooned psytones wrote:
I'm doing my contribution to keep the CD format alive, are you?
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No.
Never liked the format. DAT sounded better and downloads is more practical, environmental friendly and reliable.
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Pt.
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 15:33
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Taste is like the ass, and some people have rabbits pulled out of it. I never was a part of the DAT generation, nor the LP (except a MJ - Thriller album I had as a kid and 3 psytrance albums that I now own on LP, without actually owning a player). But I AM a part of the plastic CD generation. And as you have love for IE. DAT, I have a love for the CD format. A CD can make me smile  mp3's are so impersonal. anyway.. oggabogga
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 15:57
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Spindrift both of the links you provided are very interesting and informative but even in them you can see (if you read between the lines) the problems that are arising every day in the music industry,also keep in mind that the second link refers only to sales in the USA (where the top sale tracks are some series themes and childrens songs and Pop Idol music.....) while music styles like rap and r&b are having big problems with the decline of cd sales,you can guess i think whats happening with electronic music no?
Concerning Steve Jobs article i guess you also read how cautious the big four companies are with how things evolve and he states his opinion on how HE THINKS that think might work better,and ofcourse he says that because this will be for the benefit of Apple but i doubt that the big four companies will accept his propositions and ideas.
I would also like to see cheap music available online but i guess this is very difficult to see.
And always keep in mind that we are talking about super duper mage companies like Universal and Sony with the most commercial artists on the planet,these companies play with millions of dollars on a daily basis and we cant compare these companies with any dance music company on the planet,this is an electronic music forum and what happens to these big companies is of no big concern to "our" labels if you ask me.
Now about Vegetal links and ironic comment.Mate you obviously are not much into the video games industry otherwise you wouldnt pop up with links dating since April 2004 to show us the increase in sales of video games back then,or about the increase in sales of an outlet of Virgin Megastores or even worst with a link showing the increase of video games sales from 1995 till 2005.
Back in 2004 ADSL was not accessible to a lot of people all around the planet and no need to comment on the fact that since 1995 the sales of video games are rising,i mean what did you expected the sales to drop?Back in 1995 in order to buy a computer you should be a fucking genious and a rich guy and internet was more or less unknown to the majority of people out there,back then we were still playing games with Amiga 500 and Gameboy and Sega Master System,these years passed,people became more familliar with computers and the internet and video games and the prices have fallen dramatically so everyone can have access to them in our days,i dont know about your age but in order to buy a video game back in 1995 my dad had to spend 500-600 euros which was a hell lot of a money for that time,he almost had a heart attack when he bought me a Sega Master System back then and when i had a Game Boy in Greece the kids where looking me like a fucking alien dealing with space programs,today one video game console is getting released after another and people know who The Sims are and what Grand Theft Auto is,back then only the priviled ones had the access to video games,internet and computers.
And keep in mind that although the sales are rising a little the audience is rising a lot.I mean if in 2005 there were 100 people who bought 300 games then in 2006 there were 150 people who bought 350 lets say games,i hope you can understand what i am trying to say.
I can find 1000 links on the net concerning sales falling and you can find 1000 links concerning the sales rising depending who and why wrote the article.
There is no better information though than speaking with your friends and internet buddies concerning their buying habits and i am talking with a lot of people everyday from all around the world and very very few of them buy original music/movies/video games or whatever.
Actually how about making a poll in this forum and see how many cds/dvds buy every year from the music,video games and movies industry?
It can be little offtopic but highly interesting no?
I will give it a shot just to get an idea of whats going on.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 28, 2007 16:39
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I'm not trying to say that the psytrance scene is not in financial difficulties...sure sales is bad per CD released, although I'm not sure how much worse it is all-in-all since we see a lot more releases as well.
But one have to wonder why is people in general still is buying music if we presume that psytrance fans doesn't?
Maybe if we figure that out it would become easier to solve the problem for anyone concerned with the lack of commercial viability of the scene.
Personally I don't share that concern and don't have a financial interest in the music, but a lot of people seem to think differently.
If you are one of them you have to look at why there is a problem and then how to get around it.
I know I would buy individual tracks as FLAC downloads for a reasonable price if they where available, but they aren't.
Seems like saikosounds initiative to open such a shop never happened...would be interesting to know why.
You say yourself that you would like to see cheap music available online...why don't you have your labels music released cheaply as lossless?
I know it's not just for a label to decide to make that move as shops as well as distributors will have objections, but maybe if enough fans and labels show interest they can be persuaded to change their minds about it?
Maybe it would give a little boost to sales at least.
About computer games I doubt you find one independent study that shows a significant decline in sales. And I think everyone here who was above 10 years old 1995 been playing computer games back then...computers was not more expensive, just lower speced, but the demands of the games was lower as well. Maybe not online games was as popular but there was plenty of games that doesn't depend on a fast internet connection.
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