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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 10:55
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Constructive criticism is ok when there are few faults here and there. Not when an entire track is wrong.
When you go to a restaurant and you eat something, but some salt is missing and it's too sweet... You may go to the chef and tell him. I'm sure he will be happy to hear your opinion.
When the entire meal is messed up you have 2 options:
A. Go to another restaurant.
B. Go and tell your chef your opinion.
Now of course telling the chef your opinion is not pleasant, so you go to another restaurant. But what should you do in case all restaurants are like this? Stop eating? Your opinion must be heard in order to make a change.
Respect, imho, is the ability to tell your opinion even if it's rude, but it helps to change something to make it better.
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 11:18
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yes... even if its rude.
but there many ways to phrase your thoughts without hurtung ppl around here.
and maybe in your case... i dont know, its a wild guess - that trance has nothing to offer u anymore. maybe u should find yourself another alternative. but thats gettin` too personal here.
any way... i think u got the idea.
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 12:30
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Guys, we are simply out of topic theme, thougth it is important issue, the discussion passed to be very different from the subject.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 12:55
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-------> I don't have much of a word, ain't I <----------
But still, this thread is something important to break the silence for..
About copy & paste issue kaz gave really good explanation why is it bad so actually nothing to add to that, except kaz, when u r ready and a free lancer if u can help me with some financial dillemas, I will be more then delighted.
But the major issue of the thread is 'crappy releases'. There are too many low quality releases these days, and imo this huge expansion of the market has more worse sides than good sides. Yossi - there ARE crappy releases and spotting them is very easy and not matter of taste at all - the sound quality is usually very bad and there is nothing special / not very interesting ideas / or everything is very bland and pale etc..
The reasons for that are:
1. There are far too many labels ( more than there were artists some 5 years ago!!! )
2. The 'How many' is much more important than 'How good' for both labels and artists.
3. Many artists don't have the integrity to say - this is a 'not good enough' track - I won't release it ( very good example is myself - I had couple of tracks, that weren't supposed to b released, and when certain label wanted to take them, I sold them money doesn't grow on trees nowadays )
4. Trance today is in very obscure situation, where the boundaries towards house and techno and different alternatives are basically broken.. Hence the 'u can do anything' feeling.. Just it isn't taken to the right place imo, since if u want to hear the real 'u can do anything' - listen to Cold Cut releases and such In our case what we get usually stuff that is either conseptually and qualitywise is very low ( not all the time mind you )
5. Nor labels not artists, don't understand that new artist has to grow and learn for a while before coming with a 'SOLO ALBUM'. Solo album isn't just a random selection of 9 tracks, it is the I AM of a whole human being, sometimes more than one. It has to be some kind of concept otherwise it is a waste of time imo. Albums like that are rarity today and this shows clearly the state we are in
Finally, I would like to admit that I really agree with Mike about the right to say what on person's mind without being SHHHHHut up most of the time. When there are things to be said they should be said, not only good things exist in our world ( pity ). Otherwise ppl would never learn, and I have the feeling that even if the constructive critisizm would been given a chance the situation would stay the same...
In these days, no one really gives a shit to listen
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 12:56
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One more thing - Stas, thank u for being fair and open minded
Bom Bom
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Sputer
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 12:59
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I have not many to say..
I also think that in the last months there is "not quality" releases. And thats BAD !
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 12:59
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Thanks, the problem is other people, that not so open-minded or can't stand critics ....
I will folllow this one ... Let's all use sign for offtopic messages so the threads, won't be locked. Again it is the third chance for this thread.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 13:01
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The thing is even if threads like this are getting sometimes personal or little spammed, their importance is great, since it is not 'the best track of 2002' thread but a discussion that ( maybe ) might bring our scene into a better place
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 13:06
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Completely agree with you, Yuli, as I already said, but we won't let this go to the level of war like East and West RAP schools in USA.
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 13:25
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now this post was a good one yulik.
thats what i ment by saying constructive criticism.
if u Xplain yourself corectly, Xplain your thoughts, and your reasons for why u think we have so many bad releases... i think this way u`ll get more attention then saying this is shit and this is crap.
im also not preaty enthused from the late releases situation. and i totaly agree on the "solo album" issue.
we r no the same boat ppl... it seems like we all agree on something, but keeping on and on...
yes.. there r too many labels and too many artists. and like Peter said... they r all individual lables, its their own decision what to release, when and where.
so the only thing we had left to do is to buy or not to buy.
and ihope that between all those new labels, the good once that realy trying to give us some fresh spirit, and trying to inovate wont drown.
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 13:50
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Ppl,
I'm also happy with this thread, though if it would stay on track and not get personal it would be nicer and more helpful.
I've forwarded the link of this thread to most labels I know. Only Peter & Alex chose to respond- I hope more will. I also hope they'll have Yuli's honesty to admit that they released things that shouldn't have been released.
I will follow and admit that in my compilation I had a filler that I should have dropped, and that 2 more tracks were not in good enough production quality (though I liked them a lot), and that one needed more work on to become a smash (but that wasn't only me, as I was not working on my own, but for another label).
I also got another response by mail from Matt Boom that should be mentioned. He said that he released only music he liked and that worked for him on the floor as a DJ and that is what matters to him.
I think this is also a thing to consider- do labels really like what they release or is it enough for them that the track costed them nothing or is made by a "big" name?
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 15:00
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can i get my mark for "copy money = inflation" thing ?? i wrote it on page 5, kaz just used his qween english to make it nice  )))))
after all im econimist..
also micro vs macro level of analize was nice, too bad u run after the lang and not the meaning...
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 15:03
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hi people....
first i must say that i agree on the point that the quality of the releases has to get better. the price of a cd is still very high. for many people it is hard to afford enough money to buy music. i can fully understand that they don't want to buy an album or compilation with only 2 or 3 good tracks on it.
but i want to give an reply on shahars suggestions:
- do labels really like what they release?
not always. usually you like of course what you release. but this is a matter of personal preferences. sometimes your personal taste has to stay back, because you know that the production quality is good and a lot of people will like this release...
- do labels only look for 'big names'?
i think we saw in the past year that a big name is not a guarantee for big sales. it is nowadays far more easy to listen to an album before you buy it. some years ago it was only possible to prelisten a cd in the specialized shops. now you can easy go in the internet and on every online store site and sometimes also on the labels websites, you can usually listen to a mp3's of the complete cd.
so you don't have to buy a release only for it's name. you can listen and decide if you like it or not. and when the releaes of big names don't have the quality we're talking about, nobody will by it. maybe a few fans of the project. i think this bonus is gone...
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 15:07
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welcome here laureth !!
good to see plusquam A&R here,
at least your label dont dissapoint, not for one sec...
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 15:11
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and to the topic - i think its hard to name release as "crap" coze alot of ppl wrote that new haldolium album is tottal crap and shit, so i guess there is shitty ppl and crapy minds around also, and not always the music is a problem 
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