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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 20:27
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man..
someone said..
I don't see a guy stealing someone's car, but mp3's are downloaded..
see.. if you steal someone's car.. he looses.. if you could copy&paste his car.. he wouldn't loose.. nor would the car factory.. maybe you couldn't afford the car.. but this way you still get it..
see.. some1 has a mp3.. you copy&paste it.. now also you have it.. perhaps you couldn't have afforded the album, but now you hear it anyways... no one looses since you weren't going to buy it anyways..
jesus,, I don't know.. that car thing sounded like really cool thing to say.. don't know, don't care.. I'll be still test driving my music before buying.. I'm off to my gf's for the night.. won't be here anymore.. so don't be too hars.. 
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 20:28
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LSD - test your cd @ stores. or @ psyshop or in any label/artist site where its available. read reviews, ask friends.
but like i said, ppl who dl will come up with 4852334 reasons to do it.
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indeed, and if u wanna go deeper... u hurt also the artists, distributers, record shops, and evntualy - it comes back 2 u... the listener.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 20:30
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may be i like "clubby shit" and "even house"  but i know what is community, what is respect and who is who, and thats is what importent. trance is not a noise, its a view on the life, when u dl u act as a fucking individual (that im also but not when its come to music) and u forget the others.
also as i see around ppl who dl dont buy cd's at all, and monthy payments of many of those ppl way bigger than mine, but its not about money (or some ppl prefer to buy some shitty boring and not psychedelic at all jeans ahahahah), boys, be well...
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 20:34
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traveler - u dnt steal from the guy that already bought car but dont u think u attack the factory ?? factory is a label, no labels no cars, u know...
but for a oldtime person like u sure my words is not more than just pffff...
btw - labels u talked before in no way newcomers, if u dont call 5 years old trance label newcomer..
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 21:51
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On 2003-01-28 20:27, traveller wrote:
see.. if you steal someone's car.. he looses.. if you could copy&paste his car.. he wouldn't loose.. nor would the car factory.. maybe you couldn't afford the car.. but this way you still get it..
see.. some1 has a mp3.. you copy&paste it.. now also you have it.. perhaps you couldn't have afforded the album, but now you hear it anyways... no one looses since you weren't going to buy it anyways..
jesus,, I don't know.. that car thing sounded like really cool thing to say.. don't know, don't care.. |
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dude, zombi has already explained why it is a problem in what might be termed non trivial detail.. this is simple economics and exactly the same as why you shouldn't try and jump train tickets or commit insurance fraud, always then illusion of the victimless crime right? but there is no such thing!
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 23:34
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On 2003-01-28 20:28, yossi wrote:
indeed, and if u wanna go deeper... u hurt also the artists, distributers, record shops, and evntualy - it comes back 2 u... the listener.
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the labels should take much more responsibility , they should understand that we will NOT give our money for something poor !
they should understand that if they have BAD material to release , they better not release it , cause we ,the customers won't support it !
they better understand it , before they will get bankruptcy!
and those labels and the people who support these low quality , they crush others that have good stuffs !
distributers - they should not release bad stuffs as well !
artists - too bad they hurt because of this . this is why I think they should think twice before they release their stuffs in labels who don't have good knowledge . label that can't promote them as label should !
the artist should go the the best labels , these labels know what is good stuffs , and they can adive the artists what to do with their music , and if their music is good enough to be released !
too much labels don't know their responsibility . and this hurt all the trance community !
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 00:18
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I think most people feel bored about a lot trancereleases because they are just overlouded from it. today an artist is able to download his new release in the net before he will get the mastered-cd of his label!
so when u buy a lot trance music.. u love it right?
otherwise u wouldnt buy it and spend so much money for it. so why u know all the stuff and say that this is bored? u downloaded it... ftp makes everything possible. this is like drinking a coca cola 10 times repeating.. no one likes that ..
mostly mp3 have a shit quality (maybe u will never know the real quality on the cd )...u have too much of it and this is the reason why u say its bored. u have so much of it that u dont get the feeling of having a new original cover in the hand.. making nice evening with it
remember:
drinking one cola is nice.. drinking 10 without a break and u feel sick...
this is not nonsense.. this is an old economical-mainrule in the first lesson.
the only thing i feel bored is to repeat saying that.
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Alex Boshke
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 00:34
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I recieved this link from Shahar today and wanted to say a few words.
I already wrote one reply but as im new to this forum its gone somewhere..but well.
I will be short even planned not to be!
People please support your favorite artists!
Buy their orginal releases enjoy them with cover,credits and be proud that you are on high cultural level!
Because this is one of the things what shows who you really are!
As Peter Digital mentioned before, the labels whom trying to give some freshness and progress to this underground scene are not doing any money ,they working hard to bring the invested money back! And they really doing it for people!
If we wanted to make money we could sign a GMS or to create another clone of them and sell 15,000 copies of their album!
but money is not what is moving us!
And we are building on your support!
Please be more simple and more intellegent!
Do not Copy ! Do not Download, Do no let to others to do it! This is simply not cool!
And the pity is thats happening mainly in psy trance scene,are psytrance lovers less educated and cultured then techno lovers for example?
Go buy more records, know more music, spend more time in the shops and be more updated informativly!Read magazines, articles, reviews,interviews ,listen to undergorund radio stations!
The shit music is not there!!!and its much more cool to do this things then to search for some unreleased track on friends ftp server!
And much more cool then to swap, change ,record and copy/paste !!!!
There is so many problems for indie labels now ,World Economics Down, People using interent in the wrong way, people using their cd burners and other copying/converting devices in a wrong way!
All this makes us to think if we really need to continue to do what we are doing?
And we trying to keep on!
Underground movements always been much more open minded and intellegent then the mainstream major sharks, they always showed respect and gave support to what they like!
Please dont change that!
And the labels like Flying Rhino will not decide to quit!
And of course there is many crap labels and artists coming, but its industry and also some how development of the degradation,yes its makes your music shopping harder,but what to do nobody makes you to buy this crap music ,just buy what you like there is always some good single or Cd out there!
Its happened in every genere, there will always be good pop music and crap pop music too, same with rock, hip hop, techno and even classic!
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 00:52
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few things.
traveller: if you copy-paste 12312213 Ferrari's and give them out for free, pretty soon there will be no Ferrari factory.
Alex: this is not the "Copying kills our music" thread...
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 01:14
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On 2003-01-29 00:34, Alex Boshke wrote:
Underground movements always been much more open minded and intellegent then the mainstream major sharks, they always showed respect and gave support to what they like!
Please dont change that!
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"open minded" ?!
sometimes labels utilize this peculiar concept too much (also artists) : they release bad stuffs and hope people will like it because this is strange ! some people eat this shit because of BAD psychological effect, lots of smart people feels screw with that concept "open minded" that these days get too much attentively .(not all the time . but most of the time these days)
sometimes it is strange in good quality , and sometimes it is just inferior material !
labels should recognize these BAD materials and reduce this incident !
the music should open our mind , the trance fans will be open minded as they always been , till it comes to be strange in the bad sides ,with no real concept , no quality!
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 01:53
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OK, I will give the "copy&paste a ferrari" idea an answer. Let's say you can copy and paste anything. What it means, is that you can actually create money from nowhere. Now, how does this hurt anyone? Well, the moment people can "create" money, they make it worth less - simple economics, that's inflation. When everyone can create money, it becomes worthless, and all of the people who depended on money to make a living are stuck with useless paper. Very basic economics on a simple level.
When you copy the music, you "create" money in the trance world. What you do, is actually destroy the economic system on which all the labels are based - the basic capitalistic system. You can live with that, and it's easy being all for "economic equilibrium" and things like that, but what you're actually doing is pulling the mat from under the label's feet. Money doesn't flow freely, the moment someone breaks the system, the people who get hurt are the guys that manufacture. The DJs, the labels and the artists.
This is why downloading is stealing. If everyone could copy and paste a car, we wouldn't have any use for car companies. And we wouldn't have any new cars, since there'd be no one there to make it, since if they would, they'd die of hunger.
You can say "but everyone does it, I don't matter in the big picture", but it's that attitude that kills record sales, that keeps talented artists in their day jobs and out of their studios (MFG are the perfect example).
And again, if you don't like something, there's only one way that not buying it will matter - if you DO buy what you like. That's the whole point. That's the only way the crowd controls the quality, by buying the good things, not by ignoring (or much worse, copying) the bad. The moment people say "screw this, I don't need to spend my money", what you end up with is a system that screws over the people who create the music. And that's the problem here.
Positive action helps everything more than negative action. If everyone in the world was a positive person, than things would change for the better... But if you drop nuclear bombs on the places you don't like, all you create is pain and anger. If everyone in the trance scene was positive to the labels, they'd work 10 times as hard to be better... When the only people who buy the music are the real freaks for it, those are the only ones who'll get listened to, and will get more of what they buy.
... Think about that.
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 01:53
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so to sum it up...
we all agree on not buying "crapy" releases?
i hope so... too long thread that leads to nowhere, and splits to too many sub issues.
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Krod20
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 07:09
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I think there is legitimate point on the fact that there is too many releases out there it makes it really hard on trying to make a choice on what to buy and its all "OK" trance not crap but not great. I wont say crap because taste is objective to each person.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 10:41
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Respect. That's a nice word, no?
Because of this so called "respect" no one is allowed to criticize. Whenever I see someone criticizing some label, artists, etc. on this forum there are at least 3 people silencing him with "Dude! Have respect! You can't talk like that!".
Come on! What is this shit?
This respect is maybe another word for dictatorship? You must like everything!
Like someone else said here, labels are releasing weird stuff under the disguise of "new, refreshing, underground and revolutionary". Those are basically other words for CRAP.
Because of the amazingly huge amount of releases people can no longer listen to a release they did like and enjoy it to the fullest. They must go and listen to the other compilation! The next big thing! Next artist! There is no longer such a thing as "listen, take your time and enjoy". For example, at the moment I have the album MFG - The Prophecy (1996) playing on my system. Original bought CD. At the same time I can just go and download lotsa other new releases. It's not a problem to find them... But I'm not doing it. Why? Because "new refreshing" music simply sucks. No other words for it.
Let's take kaz's example for Ferrari. Those cars have a small market, right? Just like trance scene. Let us assume (heh.. reminded me of something  ) that instead of 1 ferrari factory there are 50 factories making cars. All of them are equal in quality, and price. No factory can survive. They will all collapse.
Lots of more to say, but nothing comes to my mind now.
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 10:51
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Mike... criticism is always welcomed.
but u can make a good constructive criticism or just saying "crap". and i dont think that u, me or any 1 is allowed to say crap on smoething that other ppl works so hard for/on.
this is respect. imho
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