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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 19:27
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On 2003-01-29 12:55, Yuli wrote:
The reasons for that are:
1. There are far too many labels ( more than there were artists some 5 years ago!!! )
2. The 'How many' is much more important than 'How good' for both labels and artists.
3. Many artists don't have the integrity to say - this is a 'not good enough' track - I won't release it ( very good example is myself - I had couple of tracks, that weren't supposed to b released, and when certain label wanted to take them, I sold them money doesn't grow on trees nowadays )
4. Trance today is in very obscure situation, where the boundaries towards house and techno and different alternatives are basically broken.. Hence the 'u can do anything' feeling.. Just it isn't taken to the right place imo, since if u want to hear the real 'u can do anything' - listen to Cold Cut releases and such In our case what we get usually stuff that is either conseptually and qualitywise is very low ( not all the time mind you )
5. Nor labels not artists, don't understand that new artist has to grow and learn for a while before coming with a 'SOLO ALBUM'. Solo album isn't just a random selection of 9 tracks, it is the I AM of a whole human being, sometimes more than one. It has to be some kind of concept otherwise it is a waste of time imo. Albums like that are rarity today and this shows clearly the state we are in
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I like most of the replies very much , but this one is Pure Gold !
artists and labels should read and file these words.
PS - way to go Yuli !
  what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 20:51
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This thread is prolly what I've been feeling for almost 2.5 years so far, and only now I see a huge thread about it with Shahar and Yuli speaking IN FAVOR to and not AGAINST it. Way to go...
'Crap' is not about taste in this thread, like Yuli said - it's just a word to critisize pretty noticable bad things in a release.
Let's put the cards on the table like it was made here - and I know many here feel like they want to make a change - trying will only help.
The questions we need to ask ourselves in order to get somewhere with this are:
1 - Which compilations/albums/singles were not 'crap' but worthbuying for the past years/last year? I think there are objective facts to study.
2 - Why the above compilations/albums/singles are the chosen ones?
3 - What can we the consumers or the labels learn from the above facts?
4 - How can a new and fresh label 'get on track' according to the answers and foundings of 1,2 and 3 above?
5 - How will this affect the trance scene as a whole - both undergroundly and commercially?
I'm sure there are other questions - but we sure need to start answering one by one instead of trying to 'catch 7 flies in one shot'...
I'm just another consumer like many of you guys here - you can either ignore this post or answer it.
Philip
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 22:38
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one more point of view -
we r into realy absurd situation when alot of ppl have EVERY trance release that been released (also all this unr trax), mean when u listen to so many cd's u sure will feel like its all recycling again and again.
before home burner and adsl were normal and easy to get (and i dont talk about 18 century but about 4 years before), we listened only to cd's we were buying, i wasnt so reach as me today (wah), i bought 2 cd's per month and was absolutely high and in love with this music.
i mean, ppl, stop trying to get ALL music, listen to less cd's and it will sure make u feel better about it.
if u already realy bored with trance (like me), get other genres, they sure worth to check. get best releases from different gernres, better for ya.
now i buy something like 1 or max two trance cd's at moth but 4-5 cd's from other directions and feel way better than two years before when i started been bored by trance but still was blind enough buy again and again same music.
try be creative in your shopping (yes its not easy and its take time,BUT isnt it the real good feeling to dig the shop and find something complitely different and amazing ??), give chance to styles u never heard about, be communicative with sellers - they can help u.
in short - boring its in u only. music always can be boring if u get it not in the right timing.
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 23:27
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very good point elik...
i did it for the last two years, just gettin` my music from almost every direction (btw: james ruskin is a fucking king!) 
but unfortunetly... we r in minority for now.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 23:32
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dont u see ppl (old and smartass ppl) how others around u realy LOVE gms or astrix or other artists that in your opinion recycle same music ?? now that i think about it i think the space cat and oforia that i was in love with years before not realy were more Musicans that artists i told before, just i changed my priorites,thats all.
if u already smart enough to get recycling thing, be creative enough to findhow u keep the cheerio Up again.
and for that i must say - Go Haldolium, Go Trancefeld, Go Sunset, Go FreeForm (even if u close, we will keep u in our minds..), Go everybody who still can make music that will sounds too new that ppl will confuse coze their formulated mind cant handle this changes. Believe your soul ! |
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 23:36
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it's the formulated music I can't stand..
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 23:38
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so listen and BUY others.
if u think its bad that there is cd's that u dont like, u r wrong.
its GREAT u dont like it.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 23:47
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Zombie, dont want to be rude  but how come u are always stuck in the same mantra? This topic here is about all trance related electronic music and you always go with the Hldolium/Sunset/Trancefeld etc.. So firstly - it's totally not connected to the thread imo, tho it is good u promote what u like.. but secondly - and I have heard these releases as well - I wouldn't say the music u mentioned is not formulated... It is super formulated ( apart from the Trancefeld album - but there it has as much connection to trance as honey has to elephants )
sorry for being a nudge anyway
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 23:51
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man, its great u say that (am i say great second time today ??), im yes promote what i like, try ppl will look for alternative of their boredom, dont think its bad after all.
Yuli, my mantra is my mantra and its quite better of change it every week, isnt it ??
and Trancefeld may be not trance and Haldolium may be formulated but than no realy non formulated music in trance world nowdays, but (i know it will sounds as old talk again for ya) there is MORE music than psy trance, and thats good.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 00:08
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Zombie me agrees with you with all my heart believe me
But:
1. This is a trance forum that is for people that like trance and care for it's survival
2. I am sure there are forums for ppl that like Micro House ( for instance ) and there u will probably find our own GrillMaster that doesn't visit us too much - because he understood that his taste differs to 95% of this forum from the simple reason - he is not a trance head!!! - get it?
So - here is sbout trance - and we ( I ) want this music to live long and prosper.. Make ppl feel certain things that NON psy music ( such as all the house oriented trance ) doesn't do.. And there fore as much as I am anticipated with all the damn good things going now in many other genres ( and there is ALOT going ) I am still in this thread concerning the quality and the quantity of releases in the psy scene
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 00:16
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Yuli, the thing thats music is boring not only in trance or psy trance. also in almost every music style.
thats not that trance now bad and all the rest genres realy high up, not, just not.
boredom is a sicknes of modern world, music industry became a joke with all this home studios and stuff.
i agree with u on the Trance forum thing, and im sorry if i sometimes try to push a bit non trance beats here (but not too much if u put attention that i buy trance/non trance 1/5),
i just try to give ppl that say they r boring of trance a alternative that i find at other styles. if it was so easy, just change style one in another, so i was shut up, but for being musicaly full and happy of it u have to look very deep in the stocks to choose the things that will work for ya, even if one come from hardcore and second from idm.
i think trying to force trance music to sounds trance its not right, give it a flow, and music will flow as well.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 00:34
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Actually, in a way, I totally agree with Eli. But there are very few albums that have had a groundbreaking influence on the trance world in the past 3 years. I like my music 1000% trance, psychedelic to the core, and moving in a nonlinear way (as opposed to Eli who looks for emotion and grooviness), but I just rarely find that anymore. The trance scene is moving with trends and fassions, instead of creating them. And that's what's causing all of the "crap" releases - it's not that they're bad or have nothing enjoyable in them, it's just that when something sounds new and different, it can't be compared to something that was already done before. Sure there are a lot of good progressive acts that do the Ticon thing pretty well, but then you listen to their music and go... well, it's pretty nice, but Mammoth Hunters was so much better!
People just go for the tried and true, sure hit way. What they end up doing is boring the crowd to death with a lot of releases that sound the same. Check out the old TIP releases (my favorite example for how a label has a brilliant musical line). Each compilation didn't sound like the last one AT ALL, but you could just say "the only ones who do this are TIP". A label can have a character of it's own without patenting a sound/feeling to their music. It's just not an easy way to succeed.
Today, exactly 2 labels give me that feeling. Twisted and Spirit Zone. Each one not rushing forward with releases, keeping the quality high, and setting the trends instead of following them.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 00:52
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another problem is that "hits" come from "hit parade" to the dancefloor and not in a opposite way.
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KosMos
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 02:12
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(wow that's the longest post for a 2-3 days period i've ever seen in this forum..!)
so, apart from all the opinions you all said, there is a weird reason for "the crap things being released" (in my way of view) that you may not find true..
COMPARISON!
what do i mean? did you notice that people who concern about this problem are people who follow this scene for a long time? maybe (i say maybe) they/we compare it with the "old good stuff/times"..
some years ago before totally entering the trance world i was a heavy metal fan... lots of bands there, a lot of big/commercial/quality names like metallica and iron maiden (who did not always release good stuff but most of it was for most of the metal fans very good music).. i bought a lot of cds from a huge variaty..
now the situation in heavy metal is the same as in trance... lots of names but a lot more "crap released", not the "real thing anymore", almost everybody complaining - and of course DOWNLOADING!  i don't like anything there from the new style... but lots of people love it!
guess what.. the "movement" moves!
every genre had it's wonderful beginning.. we all want to stay at that time but we cannot.. newbies in trance scene don't complain cause they didn't live the whole thing.. if they do complain it's not from a real concerne..
so think of it... maybe some of us compare the new stuff (which i find "crap" too) with the old good ones...
not as music and sound production...
but as feeling..
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 03:52
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to make it even more massive :
compare to the past :
these days lots of "Artists" don't know how to make good mix ! (as DJ viewpoint )
even if the old stuffs have poor sound because of the technology , the Mix was excellent constantly !
in the past , artist was a real Artist and they knew how mix should be and how to build track right! without all the bullshit !
lots of "Artists" these days don't know how track should be !
and those tons of "artists" take the trance backwards , or even kill this genre !
lots of friends of mine hate trance because all these bad releases lately.
new people don't understand that music"psytrance", because sometimes you should be stupid to eat these tracks !
lots of time I feel that even little kid in the age of 14-12 who don't know what is "chord" could play some PC keyboard and release it .
I listen to many tracks made by people who call them self "musicians" and I could recognize that their musical background is poor since lots of them don't even fit chords right ! now this is bad !
its a shame that "artists" don't know how to play chords right!
how labels can release such bad material?!
it's a shame for the artists and the labels who release it , and they embarrass the whole psytrance community.
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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