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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 15:24
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i think it is nearly impossible to say what's crap or not.
music is always a matter of personal taste. some people like it more full-on, some more progressive.
at the end it is important if it is well produced, and if the stuff is sort of musical. do the artist use good powerfull sounds and samples, good effects, does he make a good mixdown, is the track harmonic, flowing, groovin, kickin... |
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 15:28
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exactly, but many ppl like it - chaotic, non musical (everything that remind music ppl call house), with amateur samples, with realy harsh mix, underground in one word..
but thats only one hand..
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 16:34
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i think yuli has named some very good points.
there a far too many labels nowadays. all these labels want to release something. but there's just not enough good stuff around, or they dont have enough budget to get good stuff.
this leads us into a situation where this labels just have to take everything what comes, just to get the next release out.
so the labels fight for every new talented artist. who will get him first... this makes the labels a bit blind for the artists' real potential.
and if there's an artist who has maybe produced one good track or maybe also a couple of good tracks, or shows a certain talent, the labels try to bind him and push this young artist directly into an album deal. the artist don't have the time to grow, improve his skills, find his own style and so on. he is forced to produce, because the label spend already money on him...
so i guess it's time for the scene to shrink a bit + focuss on the quality. the market will regulate itself!
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 16:39
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laureth - exactly. There are just too much labels around.
The question: Is this really going to happen?
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 16:45
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Laureth, thank you my man, finally some label representative who understands what we are talking here about ... and understanding that those critics intended to help labels to grow and improve ...
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so i guess it's time for the scene to shrink a bit + focuss on the quality. the market will regulate itself!
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 16:52
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it's the job of the consumer to make this happen...
and it is already on the way. look at flying rhino, mdma, freeform, insolation, novatekk...
actually it's harder for the big labels to survive. once you have a company with fixed costs for workers, office rooms and so on, you need to have a continuous output. this makes the situation a bit tricky... |
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 17:06
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I knew about novatekk, but is insolation dying too? sad.
anyway, me thinks we all reached an agreement: there are just too many releases these days. But I keep getting the impression that the label-birth rate is way bigger than the label-death rate. and it seems that until that changes, we won't be seeing much changes (in the foreseeable future). do you agree?
plus I think many labels put out A LOT of stuff. May I name names (it's not taste here guys)? TIP.World, Spirit Zone, Com.Pact (yes even them - seriously, Perplex is on his 4th album I guess), Sunset, and there are more. yes, regular output is one thing. Too much output is quite another...
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 17:07
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ah, one more thing: one factor which could be a big influence on CD quality and sales is CD Reviews.
trustworthy, serious, well written, routinely. Psy Reviews (from Damion) is a serious effort - but that guy has a particular taste. Me thinks we should have more of that, on a regular basis...
ps: obviously easier said than done - and this goes for me too the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.... |
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 17:09
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we know that we had too many releases last year (sometimes two cd's in one month) and we saw also our sales going down.
we will learn from it... |
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 17:12
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sorry, but i don't think that cd reviews will help, because i don't know any reviewer who is able to write objective.
there's the point of the personal taste again!
also, reviewers often just want to get promos and write what the labels want to hear... |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 17:25
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Basically it all goes to the evolution theory:
The survival of the fittest.
The only thing here which is unknown is fittest = ?
And that we will find out soon enough
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 17:56
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First, i think all of you "connected" people should promote this discussion to labels/artists and dj's, like shahar did. and maybe, MAYBE we could change something.
(i think this is one of the better discussion we had here for a long time. with lots of quality replys)
now, we all agree about this but one thing, the way the market looks now is that:
1. the makret is growing and it doesn't seem like only the best labels survive. new labels and artists (,solo albums) are popping up like mushroms after the rain..... or maybe i'm just impatient.
2. only the more "commercial" labels succeed  (TIP, DS) < and reffering to yuli's post: are they the fittest?
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Dovla
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 18:22
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I think you're all going a bit offtopic with this one...I would like to get back to crappy releases instead of the usual low sales/mp3 stuff...
When I first started listening psy trance I always noticed those anoying goa head compilations which were basicly a bunch of tracks that were already released and they just put them on 2 cd's without any particular order or style sorting...At that point I decided that I'm always going to get new albums and I never liked compilations because of this mixing of styles...Until the day I got the 13 crystal skulls compilation..now please don't take this the wrong way..I'm not trying to promote tip.world...What I'm trying to say is that all the tracks you put on a compilation should have the same style, that's what the crystal skulls compilation means to me...I'm sure that you people either love or hate that compilation....you can't simply say that you like only 2-3 tracks there...because they are all very similar....So labels need to work more on their compilations so that they establish a certain sound, so I can be able to listen to one track on a compilation and say...wow this one is great...the others have the same style so I can buy it. Labels have to make more concept compilations and not just take tracks from any established artists...another example would be the unusual suspects compilation...it also has a certain sound which is noticable on all the tracks...Artists need to work together to make a compilation good...they need to hear each others tracks and try to make similar stuff so that I can buy a compilation and play it from the beginning to the end and hear their story....that's how I see a good compilation
Please don't mind my examples and don't turn this into a styles discussion. I just want to say that compilations should represent a label with a certain style...and that style has to be present on all the tracks...so people will either like it or hate it....and not find one or two tracks that they like...and also when it happens that a label gets 2-3 tracks which they don't know what to do with since they probably don't match on any working compilations they should release cd singles as they do with eps...
And I just want to say one thing to laureth about cd reviews. I myself have a review section on my site which promotes the trance scene here in croatia and I always write objective reviews and I add my oppinion on the end...It's too bad that we don't have an english version yet so you could see what i'm talking about. And I'm also in the process of negotiating with a local music store here to promote them as well....but that's really not the topic here...
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laureth
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 18:37
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i agree. when we talk about quality, we have also to think about concepts for compilations, packaging, things added to the cd.... |
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 29, 2003 18:38
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"music made with a few mouse clicks and copy & paste method isn't even worth a few mouse clicks and copy & paste method"
anyways... when I buy a album I really like I try to write one of those extra long reviews to this site and psynews site and do my own little hopefully positive promotion to that album..
well.. pretty much everything has already been said.. so..er.. so long and thanks for all the fish!
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