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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 10:30
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I think KosMos has a point, we may well be looking at the past a bit through rose tinted glasses. Because the people who just got into trance are not saying things like this, on the contrary you can see them on this forum everyday doing further mutilation to the spelling of the word "killer" whilst discussing the latest growling atomic connection project track or 3d vision album. The magic is still there for them. but looking back we naturally conflate all the good things into one seamless memory and conveniently forget the bad.. so today we can get less of this magic in comparison.. we may just be jaded late twenty smthings people 
And its also and issue of access to an extent, similar to as zombie was saying, five years ago i could only buy most a cd every month and it was not so easy to come by anyway, i used to listen to all these cds continually and just marvel at the amazing sounds etc. now i can buy as much as i want within reason, and to be honest it is not so many times i really got under the skin of an album really.. you know when you are aquainted with it so well that each little detail in every track is just perfect... now that i miss, yet i could change that easily just buy purchasing less music....
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 12:22
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On 2003-01-29 22:38, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
one more point of view -
we r into realy absurd situation when alot of ppl have EVERY trance release that been released (also all this unr trax), mean when u listen to so many cd's u sure will feel like its all recycling again and again.
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dont try to eat the whole cake, too many sugar can cause u...
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How can you change that? Impossible. People will always try to be "better" than someone else by having more music. People are music collectors, not music listeners. And when artists make a track they make it for archivical purposes. Not for musical purposes.
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 12:31
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On 2003-01-30 12:22, Mike A wrote:
And when artists make a track they make it for archivical purposes. Not for musical purposes.
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what? this doesn't make sense mike. this is electronic music, it is very hard to perform it live, in fact practically impossible. the process of actually "writing" a track is only part of what goes into a track, as i suspect you well know there are all sorts of further production issues beyond the writing. so most of the opportunity for musical performance is inexorably linked with playing prerecorded sounds and loops.
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domo records
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 13:37
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well it is most certainly the most interesting thread in this forum so far (much better than the progressive vs. full on ), and as a copany which is a label and a distributor I want to give you our own perspective on the subject from all the aspects,even from the artist's point of view.
Distribution: we, as some of you might know started our distribution system in Israel half a year ago on the wrecks of m.d.m.a.'s empire,and now after this not so long time I can enlighten you with a few points,some have been said before here so sorry in advance:
1. There are way too many labels releasing way too much music nowadays, the releases divide roughly to bad releases-meaning bad production/bad,immature music/and sometimes both (35% +-), mediocre releases which are not bad but lack one of the ingredients above, these release are the most common (45%+-) and the good releases where you can spot that a big effort has been made to give you ,the consumer, the best product possible (20%+-).
2. We as a distributor are bringing everything worth selling, and try to make our own screening and not to bring stuff which are completely bad (we have our own consious too you know..).
3. As for sales percentages between the qualities: they are selling the same. The main difference in the sales was and will be bending strongly in favor of the full on titles.
Meaning a full on cd will normally sell better than other genres even if its bad quality.
4. The compilations vs. albums issue also doesnt have a clear answer. basicly there are more and more artists coming out with albums nowadays, and I must agree with Yuli on this and say that most of them are immature and non conseptual. An album is the peek of an atists creativity life and it should'nt be transformed to a "one man compilation" (or series of compilations).
5. rise and fall of the labels- new labels are popping up almost everyday now, some offer new perspectives and good productions(spontaneous aerobics for example) and most dont offer nothing new and keep recycling used and old formulas (not really succesfully I must say).
This however is reflected in the sales. The good ones sell easily and the bad ones have problems. This will cause, the way I see it a big collapse of a lot of labels eventually (unfortunately some good labels go down too,I was just informed that novatekk is officially down) which will leave us again with the more quality labels and a much smaller selection of releases (which of course will lead to the "why are'nt there any more releases lately?" thread). Is it good? is it bad? no one can tell.
Most of the new labels nowadays do not reach their second release ever because they dont get money from distributors and other objective reasons.
I urge all labels to think about it and reduce the amount of releases they're making, that way we could maybe save all the industry.
Labelwise: We as a relatively new label are doing our best to invest in our releases and to give the people a good reason to buy them.
We have our own standards as for the minimum advance payment an artist should get and do not get lower than that (again knowing that the artists leave from that exact money even if they are our friends or relatives). We try to get to a position where the only thing preventing someone from buying our cd is his musical taste.
We have our schedule for the year and try to keep up with it but we are not aiming to the sky,we are aware of the global situation and act accordingly.
As for the artist's point of view- you must remember that the artists live from music.
Most of them live only from music and therefore want to sell their tracks.In this issue the responsibility is on the label to have its own level of criticism and not to take music which is bad even if it was done by the biggest name in the industry.
You can't blame the artist for selling his music, you have to blame the label for buying such music.
Summing up the Issue: we are probably in the biggest crossroads of trance's history and only time will tell where we're going from
here.
I urge you not to download music but I know its worthless.
I suggest that those of you who really want to buy cds to use the options you have nowaday and check the cd if its good buy it if not dont. simply dont buy. That is the biggest demonstration of public opinion. Buy less but buy what you really like and support the labels who ARE doing their job good.
LOVE & LIGHT
NADI
DOMO RECORDS
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pavi
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 15:15
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So many excellent points from all, real food for thought!
Gotta add:
You get what you put in...dig deep in your search for the music you like and the satisfaction is that much greater.
I remember spending hours in a second-hand record shop basement, listening to a shitload of mainly awful 60s & 70s funk and soul to find a good break, scratch or sample. Nerdy? I loved music and wanted to find good examples of it.
As a lot of people like the music you don't, being the filter takes time sifting thru the 'crap.'
I think there is still a lot of good trance out there, its just harder to find.
I know the annoying issue is having to buy filler for 1 or 2 good tracks on an album, but I get the feeling the instant-gratification culture of getting everything HERE and NOW and EASILY (would be nice  ) has affected all of us a little.
Maybe its only now that trance has as large an output like other genres, we also have to change our habits .... Like spend more time in record shops making better choices for less disappointment, and more enchantment. That should be part of the fun!
Just a few thoughts freshly plucked from the collective consciousness (probably).
Bholenath and on with the constructive discussion!
Within this timeless gathering,
a shining light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in trance!
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 19:10
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Yesterday I was talking to some friends and another point came up- there are certain artists, well established ones, that don't really care about the music, they do this out of inertia, 'cause it's something they can make money from. We easily picked 2 examples of albums from people like that, that didn't have a single track worth buying.
I think that the fact that ppl like that can sell their music easily is also another aspect of this problem.
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Plan_B
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Posted : Feb 1, 2003 14:40
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KAZ- a bit late response but i have to, Respect i know well enough. your Sarcasem proves u did'nt at all understood my intention.
i did'nt sling mud on labels, i do have Flying rhino releases for 5 yrs. ago and they are superb. i did't talk about specific bands and the compliations are my problem. all i said was less compilations with more quality that's all.
Anyway, the labels can live out of their music, people wont buy 10 compilation on one week. if u release less compilations, more of them will be bought. Simple finances.
Anyway, Hope u nderstood me know...
Respect! (got it?? )
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 1, 2003 14:42
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Plan_B: what was the middle thing?
That's what everyone's been saying, just in different words. That's why I found your remarks not to the point.
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Plan_B
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Posted : Feb 1, 2003 14:45
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WOW! all i can say, is domo records
was most enlightening... i agree about the lablel's POV.
Indeed public demonstration is our most powerul tool and we as consumers should take advantage of it!!!
BTW- i'm SO bummed about NovaTekk...
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Plan_B
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Posted : Feb 1, 2003 14:47
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why was my remarks not to the point?
I said all i have to say on the subject, not offending no one personally, and suggested what i think we should do... what exactly was off the point???
"The Blues is'nt about making you feel better. It's about making others feel worse, and make a few bucks while you're at it." - "Bleeding gums" Murphey. |
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