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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 01:47
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On 2003-01-28 01:30, yossi wrote:
u need to take some actions and not only talking. DONT BUY WHAT YOU DONT LIKE!
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do you think this topic is for nothing !
trying to change something man...!
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On 2003-01-28 01:30, yossi wrote:
if ppl will follow u, i believe that labels will star of thinking twise b4 releasing something.
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and they should !!!
and even much more then twiCe !
  what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 02:36
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On 2003-01-28 00:59, yossi wrote:
and mike - u dont find anything you like?... dont buy.
no one is forcing you guys to buy anything... if u like the music, support it. if not... leave it alone.
i think the labels & the artist will get the clue.
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And how am I supposed to find something I do like in this huge pile of trash?
When labels collapse and artists have no money for anything, the first thing to blame is mp3 traders. I'm not justifying the traders, I just say that labels & artists should look at themselves as well before judging others.
Making an "official" release doesn't make you any better. If it's trash, it remains trash even after you release it.
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mach_16
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 03:15
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If you download bad music you can always delete it. If you buy bad music then you're as stupid as those guys who sold you the music. It's as simple as that. You can always prelisten the cd at the store. So don't give me the bullsh**. And yes, I agree with you about labels releasing crap. But if those labels are surviving someone must be buying their songs...
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 08:46
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but standing here and lecturing about how bad is the music nowdays, it wont get u anywhere.
labels & artists will pay more attention to this issue in only one case... u need to take some actions and not only talking. DONT BUY WHAT YOU DONT LIKE!
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Lecturing?
Talking about the low quality of releases is important- it raises the subject, it makes people think about it, it will make things happen. This is why this forum exists among other reasons.
And don't buy what you don't like will leave us soon with nothing to buy- why should I buy a release with 2-3 good trax?
For this I can download!
This is the connection Yossi!
One of the reasons people are downloading so much is that its not worth buy a release with 2-3 good tracks that will last me for few weeks!
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energy
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 11:00
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I think the labels should be more professional.
Better release only 3 or 4 great artists on their label instead of the 10 or 20.
Quality suffers a lot, and then they don't have the money to give the proper support for the good artists.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 11:22
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On 2003-01-28 08:46, shahar wrote:
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And don't buy what you don't like will leave us soon with nothing to buy.
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soon ?? nothing ?? u mean in trance section and already  ))
i buy realy rare trance releases (and trance that i buy ppl mostly say its not trance,whatever), but not whole world is trance, if u (not only u shahar, but everybody who say music is bad nowdays) like me dont find interest in todays trance releases, buy and listen other genres.
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Digital Structures
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 11:23
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I think we should all try and get some perspective on the whole thing .... why this sudden breaking down on labels for releasing bad music? To justify not buying the music? All trance labels are independent labels and are started by people who wants to release the music they like and per definition it is a small number of people who will agree and buy the music .... that's why it stays independent. So I can agree that some music should not have been put out cause the quality is not enough but when people here speak of bad music it is in 8/10 cases a matter of personal taste which is something that should be respected .... hence next time speak of what you do not like and don't say it's bad music.
and for those who wonders .... yes there are records that we put out that if I had the chance would not have put out .... but that is a process all labels go through .... only in Utopia you are 100% satisfied with all music you released!!
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 11:44
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and one more - trance world realy make too much releases last two years, its unbeliviable how many cd's come out. lets take krembo shop for example (and thats not only trance shop), u have trance stend (thats include psy trance only) club stend (thats offer house, techno, dub, drumm'n'bass, break beats and alot other genres) and trance stend re-refresh quite faster than club stend. ?? got my point ?? and thats we call underground ?? minority ?? shu-shuistiut ?? come on..
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 11:46
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As I was saying - people here should think in a more positive way about this thing. You like Son Kite but not the rest of the Digital Structures crew? You'll be able to find them. And if you download their tracks, you're stealing from the guys you should support.
If you don't think a track or two or whatever is worth spending the money on? Don't do it. But downloading it is stealing the money from the artists.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 12:13
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On 2003-01-28 11:23, Peter Didjital wrote:
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I'll tell you why.
People don't like to be screwed. People are tired of all this happy optimistic PLUR crap where everyone love everyone and happiness is all around. Maybe it was like that a few years ago when most releases were emotional (someone still remembers the word goa today?) and the number of artists and labels was small enough for the small community. But lately labels are popping out like mushrooms after the rain and every one with a computer can make some grooves and release it. And when he releases it, oh! it must be perfect! it's released!
I'll tell you why is that. People no longer treat releases as products to purchase, they treat just like it's name. Releases. Something that's released and everyone can go and grab a piece from it.
I know many people will disagree with me, but face it. That's the truth.
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Digital Structures
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 12:31
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so Mike ... I think that the scene will take care of that phenomena by it self ... it is normal for a musical movement to come to this point when we have too much and quality is not always the common factor.
And of course that people download the music instead of buying is part of how the scene takes care of it but I also think that we're being swept away by the speed of today's consumption .... if you like what is coming out on a label then buy their latest comp and give it a listen and I mean a proper listen! if you scan the tracks on the web as mp3s to find out if you should buy the album or not it will be that single moment of your mood, emotions etc etc that will define if it's good or not and since trance music, or whatever good music, for me is deep then a superficial moment would not do the work.
and as for love, happiness, emotions and the word goa ..... I think we've come to a pretty narrow alley when we leave only the style of music to define that wonderful context that is the trance scene.
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 12:40
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hey i also thought of this.. there's too much trance music around which is a complete crap and i cant imagine that there're people who's buying it and enjoying it
but the world is big, there're a lot of people so probably when the label releases some shitty sounds - it hopes that the music will gather its listeners off the total psytrance lovers
yet, the paradox is that i have heard very much underground trance bands which produce really great songs, while they cant found a record label who'd wish to release them
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 13:48
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On 2003-01-28 08:46, shahar wrote:
Talking about the low quality of releases is important
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sure its important...
but for me... it didnt sounded like talking or a conversation, but something like "bla bla... this is shit!... bla bla too much shit!" and go`s on and on.
and as peter said b4 - labelizing music as "bad music" is a very personal thing. you just cant walk around and name every thing as bad music.
and again... i dont believe that even if 100% of the releases will be great, the downloading phenomenon will stop. its not about bad music, its about ppl. i dont see a guy who wants a car and go`s strigth and steal it, why it happens with music?!
so the only thing that left for us to do is not buying what we dont like.
peace
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Plan_B
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 15:22
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Why the hell trance should be only about undergroud crap????!
Even if (god-forbid) trance will cease being undergroud and it will be "spoilled" u can find the good stuff.
anyway, there are many crapy releases because most trance labels are small indie lables, and money blinds them.they have more fillers then good worthwhile tracks. many labels have a 1-track-band that fill compilations with crap. that is why flying rhino fell, and thats what will happen to all trance labels if they won't stop feeding us shit. we are no suckers. no -one (who don't have a shitload of money) will buy a compilation for 2 good tracks.
(I don't even talk about albums, cause there are several acts that put 3-4 "hits" on the albums and the rest are crapy "shablona" fillers. that's even worse, but yet, i think albums should be the artist's heaven. it's his decision what thracks to put on his albums, just that ppl won't take his siriuously on the next albums...)
It is VERY wrong for the labels to release compilation that 1/10 tracks is good and the rest is shit. The labels don't have a allstar group? Fine, but don't spray out worthless compilations!!!!!!!!!!
anyway, i think trance is slowly transforming into a more orgenized genre (oh-my! less and less underground!!!) like rock and stuff that band albums sell better then compliations... that's good .
anyways, to the point - too much crap in an endless numer of compilation.
solution - less compilations with more quality tracks- I don't expact 10/10 good tracks, but make the compilations with trakcs that have some things in common, even 60% good tracks is a good buy. 10% is a joke.
this also rises another issue- new artists - the solution - LPs, Singles and stuff, compilations is for those who are well known, for releasing non-album more freaky material, not crapy tracks. besides, the new artists is a bet the labels should take, these groups can be the extra bonus tracks on a compilations.
Respect!
(Sorry for the long mixed up post...)
I dont mean to be a nudge, but this is a wake-up call for the labels as well as for us consumers. Comute! rise up and dont eat the loads of crap the labels are releasing. if only 1/10 compilations sells, the labels will stop releasing it. as the veraity grows, the standarts of a good buy changes, and the labels must take it into considiration.
Pehewwwwww! That's all about it.
Respect!
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 28, 2003 15:43
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Just to add to the Shahar's point of view above - not all people have time to spend in music shops choosing which disc to buy ... But they always have a computer at home downloading the stuff while they are working ...
You just need to remember, that not everyone who downloads music from the internet is a trader, this is one of the ways to check out the stuff you are going to spend your money on.
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