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do you think the next next generation will still try to make even faster trance?
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 18, 2013 18:01
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Sep 18, 2013 20:55
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On 2013-09-16 13:44:59, ocelot wrote:
so... if the kiddies today like 180bpm plus (hardcore trance or whatever it's called)
do you think the next next generation will still be trying to compete at this pissing contest?
i'm pretty sure it just becomes a constant note above 350bpm or so... i couldn't get a distinct kick any faster than 300 something as it started to sound like a delay/mushy sound....
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hmmmm! a progressive artist attempting to do 300-350bpm doesn't make sense, you lack the technology within the mental unit to do it correctly and why are you aiming for that range? Be more reasonable and try a 200bpm track and let us see if you have the artistic abilities.. 200bpm sounds like my pussycat when it purrs, love it so much and its great when its done correctly but ocelot its above your pay scale at the moment. keep working at it, with your musical skills you might learn something and actually produce a dance worthy track. |
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Posted : Sep 18, 2013 21:00
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Posted : Sep 18, 2013 21:15
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On 2013-09-18 11:36, PoM wrote:
some of the higher bpm stuff is closer to the undeground hardcore scene than psytrance to me , i wonder why it merged with psytrance scene personnaly, it should go own mouvment or hardcore . it feel a bit like a imposture. like they enjoy everything in psytrance except the music, to they take the culture and put their sound on it 
it have nothing to do with trance sound from early 90s , that is the core of psytrance mouvment to me
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We asked ourselves a similar question when this scene allowed progressive(proggy) in. it was much closer to the underground house rave music than it was to goa trance. so if proggy fluff can be in this movement of trance then so can psycore.
just incase you havent noticed but the 90's have moved on, done, finished, a nostalgic memory. besides thats why they invented neo goa, cause they ran out of ideas so creating a new name in hope to revive the past. |
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Sep 18, 2013 21:51
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At 140bpm a hat on every 16 is what speed?
Or is it all about the kick?
This quest for speed may be groundbreaking in some sense, but at some point u have to slow it down, be it a drone, sweeeps or whatever, or it feels like a machine gun, and do we want that all time? Is there were we want to take the trip?
At some point i want to see the garden dancing, but that's me
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 10:11
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On 2013-09-18 20:55, thinkingsound wrote:
200bpm sounds like my pussycat when it purrs, love it so much
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Made my day! 
Respect!
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Sep 19, 2013 13:27
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funny how all particpated topics are going about the same mostly... is it too fast? is it goa? is it psychedelic?? and mostly all of it its just subjective... have been last week at a party in south of France... the party was 24 hours and there was played from minimal/tech/trance to Noise Poison stuff at 200bpm at some point passing through some Parvati/Bom Shanka etc sounds and man what a joy and smiles all over the place...just accept it guys its part of it and people are enjoying it regardless the age... if u don't maybe u are too old (i dont mean phisically) or why not just move on and choose the music you like and stop crying about how it supposed to be or how it was in the fcking 90's...
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 11:55
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On 2013-09-17 01:20, OzMike wrote:
I wasn't going to post, but Ocelot seems to insist on whacking a dead donkey.
The BPM/rhythm is just a canvas on which to paint. Sure there's plenty of bad paintings but there are some great ones as well.
Just as there's a ton of genetic full on, prog & tech trance as well as some amazing works in those sun genres.
There is actually a fair few 150+ BPM tracks in this scene from the 90's including Mahadeva by Astral.
If you don't enjoy the style the just go listen to what you do like.
This thread is doing nothing positive at all.
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ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS MIKE??? and to this triplag guy saying "get off your high horse"
is it a high horse to say "how much faster do you want to take this guys? it's getting a bit ridiculous" ????
HOW MUCH FASTER DO YOU WANT TO GO?
and is that trance or just hardcore gabber etc?
I think it's a perfectly reasonable question.
YOU guys who like it fast are the ones PUSHING this fast bpm thing on everyone else, and I think it's a bit close minded to assume that it's
1) futuristic
2) never been done before/ original (oh sorry. this "psycore" is sooo original)
seriously, it's a pissing contest.
period.
if you don't know what the phrase "pissing contest" means then look it up.
no if's ands or buts, PISSING CONTEST.
IT IS. 100%. objectively empirically speaking- it' is a CONTEST whereby MORE BPM= better to some people...
and my question is:
DO YOU THINK THIS PISSING CONTEST CAN GO ON INDEFINATELY??????? huh huh?
or if you CANT FUCKING ANSWER MY QUESTION then just go ahead and call me a egoist etc...and i'll know that you haven't an answer nor any thought on the matter...
i'm amazed that 10 years after Cosmo, people are still feeding that "more bpm=better" story...
hate? i think there is an awful lot of hate involved in telling me to shut up and not criticize your pet bpm project
and this "thinking sound" guy should go into marketing... for monsanto...
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 12:02
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On 2013-09-18 20:55, thinkingsound wrote:
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On 2013-09-16 13:44:59, ocelot wrote:
so... if the kiddies today like 180bpm plus (hardcore trance or whatever it's called)
do you think the next next generation will still be trying to compete at this pissing contest?
i'm pretty sure it just becomes a constant note above 350bpm or so... i couldn't get a distinct kick any faster than 300 something as it started to sound like a delay/mushy sound....
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hmmmm! a progressive artist attempting to do 300-350bpm doesn't make sense, you lack the technology within the mental unit to do it correctly and why are you aiming for that range? Be more reasonable and try a 200bpm track and let us see if you have the artistic abilities.. 200bpm sounds like my pussycat when it purrs, love it so much and its great when its done correctly but ocelot its above your pay scale at the moment. keep working at it, with your musical skills you might learn something and actually produce a dance worthy track.
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and someone said I was on a high horse?
hello arrogant little cunt: show me your "superior" artists that are making mere mortals obsolete...
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 12:06
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lets return to the original question:
HOW MUCH FASTER DO YOU WANT TO GO?
and will people still keep doing this indefinitely?
and is it trance?
should the trance party scene care?
should the trance party scene cater to it?
even if you speed up a machine gun at some point it becomes a drone sound- with no rhythmic content.
my own opinion is that there is house and there is hardcore and there is trance... trance was never about high or low bpm but about steady dancing rhythms...
for maximum kick and bass impact it cannot be too fast or the bass disappears (function of physics... not opinion)
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 12:17
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On 2013-09-18 21:15, thinkingsound wrote:
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On 2013-09-18 11:36, PoM wrote:
some of the higher bpm stuff is closer to the undeground hardcore scene than psytrance to me , i wonder why it merged with psytrance scene personnaly, it should go own mouvment or hardcore . it feel a bit like a imposture. like they enjoy everything in psytrance except the music, to they take the culture and put their sound on it
it have nothing to do with trance sound from early 90s , that is the core of psytrance mouvment to me
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We asked ourselves a similar question when this scene allowed progressive(proggy) in. it was much closer to the underground house rave music than it was to goa trance. so if proggy fluff can be in this movement of trance then so can psycore.
just incase you havent noticed but the 90's have moved on, done, finished, a nostalgic memory. besides thats why they invented neo goa, cause they ran out of ideas so creating a new name in hope to revive the past.
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you have a point there, and I will propose that psychedelic trance was NEVER house NOR hardcore... and while I have no problem with the parallel existence of either, I do not like the idea that trance must become either house or hardcore...
now it seems to me, and this is not just about BPM but also about all this nasty sounding noisy music we all have been propagating as an antidote to the "commercialization" of the early 2000's (and i'm as guilty as the next on this, but i see the light now and wish to spread this message before i die) it seems to me that this noisy stuff has none of the elegance nor beauty of truly psychedelic music should- just using brute force... and brute force is not psychedelic, in my opinion...
but i got off topic...
how much faster will this high bpm thing go before the trends go the other way?
do you REALLY think it will go on forever?
people- look inside your soul. be hohest here, and not clever...
think of the future, think of what legacy you leave on this planet. what do you really want to create? because, even if you build and drive the car now, someone ELSE will have the keys to the car and be driving it in 20 years... think well on this...
be wise...not clever...
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 12:26
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Its a shame, this could have been an interesting discussion, we all have our prefered styles more or less defined, but this is not a favourite football/soccer  question, as a music production forum this is a valid question, personal issues asside.
Dont really get some words like "u on a high horse" or "cunt" in an educated forum, the fact is if we were talking face to face, it would be a polite assembly.
I miss melodies in those higher bpm tracks, sometimes when listening to some tracks, my mind just says," man, after this break a goa'ish melodie would just kill the floor"
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 12:34
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i'm sorry, Nomad Moon,
but there is an ongoing internet war between some psykovsky fans and I ever since I said that I thought his set on lost theory festival was crap (totally taking the piss, i felt)
so they personally attack me in such ways like a little gang poking me and saying its "hate"
well, i felt that music from him to be liquid hate.
and i feel these fans superiority attitude that they are SURE their godman's music is from the future and all this...
and enough is enough... the guy Thinking Sound is probably this Anton what's his name, and his comment is full of obvious insults, so why bother being polite. I'll call him a rude name in response...
i don't think I started this trend of being hateful or rude to those with different opinions- as you can read by the initial post of this thread... but since then, some people have reacted to me like rabid rabbits, biting and clawing...
so i just got fucking angry at them and started direct name calling.
my apologies to you and anyone who wishes to have a decent conversation.
i'm just tired of having our trance festivals and discussions hijacked by this trojan horse from the hardcore/gabber scene...
it's the old fascists tactic of saying "if you don't accept this you are not being tolerant"
thereby preying upon liberal ideals
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JohnDoe
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 13:09
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i dont care how much fast the music would be but let it breath give it soul and let it to make the magic but honestly in too fast music i dont find this elements(sadly)
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JohnDoe
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Posted : Sep 22, 2013 13:13
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and yes to all the future producers go in depth not in speed(bpm) everyone can make that! |
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