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Do u realy care if live acts are "ALIVE"?
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ozric@e.om
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 20:20
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every party these days is decorating it self with one or two "Live Act" sets.
but most of the live acts i've seen where playing a pre-recorded set off a computer, (don't want to mention names but lets say i was bored to hell in a very big promotion party in TeL aViv last night).
well, what to say, i'd prefer a DJ set over hearing a 1.5 hour pre-recorded set with a bit of sound adding here or there and alot of head noding , cause the DJ atleast would change the CD every track or so, and might show mixing talant.
the question is do people realy give a damn about that what is called "LIVE" isn't just a big show with no contant. do u CARE being fooled around?
or u want real musician REALY play for u in parties? is there a differance for U???
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 20:33
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I personally think that they should say what will be live - and not just live.
couse everytime it's something else.
like - Live Guitar act
or - Live Synth act
or - Live Drums act
or - Live Music buildup act
etc.
Pre- recorded parts are cool also, just when you know that this is not what's live gonna be about.
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I.D.a.N
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 20:52
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The best thing about live acts (live or not) is hearing unreleased tracks. I basically care more if I will hear something new, then if its "live" or not. |
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Morbidelic
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 21:30
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 21:40
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I like to hear live remixes of old tracks..
For example bust a move live remix was totally different than the original but still pretty easy to recocnize..
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 22:18
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i want hear bust a move rmx too!
i like live sets, at least they are doing something spontaneous and not only joining two tracks together like dj's.
when i was in a SUN Project once, in a really commerical party, their live was awesome, guitars and live drums were really great, i dont think i ever had such a karahana feeling in a party ever. they came up in alien masks and played most of the album (Paranormal), im sure that the dj couldnt do the same madness effect on the crowd like they did.
dj sets & lives can be great, its up to crowd, and the ability of the dj\artist...
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karnaf
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 22:27
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I know what you're talking about, Ozric.
I prefer a 'real' live act where as minimum as possible is pre-recorded and most of the stuff is done on spot. I look at the show the artists are giving me as a bonus and see how they react to the party too. It makes me party more.
It's much better than just having a semi-live act, were most stuff is pre-recorded.
like most things, I learned to translate the "live act" promise by a promoter to it's real meaning which is that the DJ hasn't died yet 
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Davolo
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Posted : Oct 31, 2002 23:18
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Definitely want to see musicians perform. Not a big fan of DJ's but there are some who have impressed me greatly .. but like Sound Surgeon I saw SUN Project once and they were excellent, up there as one of my fave parties.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 00:39
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Well, a live act even if none of the percussion and basslines are played live and only loops are recorded live can still be an amazing experience - if the artist rebuilds the tracks according to what he sees going on on the dancefloor. There is a huge place for improvisation and the limit of the live act is only the amount of hands available.
And that can be a lot.
What I hear in live acts much more than DJ sets is the fact that artists express themselves much clearer (usually). The energies and ideas are 100% his/hers/theirs, and they can do wonderful things with them. With all due respect, a DJ doesn't have control over a cutoff knob, and can't restructure tracks according to the dancefloor, as well as his improvisation being abilities much more limited.
BTW: if you go to live acts just to hear unreleased tracks, that's just plain pathetic. You should go for getting a piece of the artist's mind, not for saying "I heard this track 3 months before the CD".
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full_on
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 01:19
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IMO the best part of live acts is that you're gonna listen to the artist newest stuff. He will play only his own tracks and those unreleased ones that stomps you.
Sometimes one good song in the right moment saves a whole party.
I never seen a live act that was really live...
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bholenath
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 10:18
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naaaah.....i like normal djsets
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tom anteater
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 11:36
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ozric@e.om
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 12:04
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i went to that thread and got to qoute what SEB from SON KITE wrote , cause it so similar to the way i see it - it's shoking, i feel just the same about playing music live!
SEB WROTE:
First of all we have to talk about the meaning of the word live. For sure it's impossible to play a real liveset when you're two persons and are making electronic music. Let's say that you use 50-60 sounds in a track .... quite hard to play those with four hands!!! If we compare with a normal aucustic pop/rock band. They play their instruments in realtime ... if they use five instrument at the same time they are five people on stage ... this is real live.
Next questions: what is the point with playing live?
On this one I have to say that it is totally different between what kind of music that you're making.
Pop band (most of them) have made a track ... the people that comes to the gig know this tracks and want the band to play this tracks in the same way as they were recorded.
Electronic dance music: Like I said in my last post I think that the communication between the artist on stage and the people on the dance floor is really imortant .... if you want to be creative (and I think that both making music, playing music live, dance to music and listen to music is very creative) you have to be able to catch the moment and create something new that is the product of this very moment ....sequence of different things ( the people on the party, the enviroment, the weather the music before the liveact and many many more things). So the meaning (for me) to play an electronic live set is not to show people that I can play instruments or try to do the same thing that I have made before (in the studio or at another party) ... the meaning is to create someting creative ... and it is for sure not because i want the people to hear something that a dj could mix with two cd players.
third question:
How will I play my liveset .... Actually this is also something creative. There isn't any equipment that is made for palying a trance live so you have to find new ways of solving this problem. When we started with our way of playing live (around three and a half year ago) we didn't know anyone that were playing so we looked for and tested soooo many different thing to come up with something that worked. While we were doing this we asked ourself, what do we want to do on stage? this were our answeres to this questions
1.) we want our music to sound good
2.) we want to be able to have total controll over what is sounding and what is not
3.) we want to have control over the arangments and the buildings of the tracks because this is what is very different from party to party (eg ... how long break ... melodies or not melodies ... how long track ... how many highhats and so on)
4.) we want to have control over the singel sounds so we can edit them in realtime
5.) we want that people shall be able to actually see what we're doing .... if they see me turning a knob they can actually hear that "turning" in the speaker
6.) and so the last one that we made real one year ago ... play a real instrument that isn't that normal .... to give something special a few times in the set.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 16:22
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i dont think there's anything to add, the previous thread we had about this subject quite covers it all
ps. old infected live sets were fake. now they are really preforming live
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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 16:28
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I think a distinction needs to be made... years ago, in my part of the world, there was a solution: groups playing REAL live were "live", whereas producers who were coming in to play their own songs (old and new) without doing much actual live work were said to be doing a "LIVE P.A." - debate has raged over the actual meaning of the term but I have always interpreted it to be mean Live Personal Appearance. Which makes a certain amount of sense, I figure...
But now in the psy scene there are all kinds of weak promoters who paste up the groups name, all their side projects (as if they are also acts coming) and call it live... while what you get is one guy from the group playing stuff on CD. Bleh! |
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