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Do u realy care if live acts are "ALIVE"?
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Nov 2, 2002 01:19
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you all forgeting one thing - Reflections is a live band, they play trance. do they qualify as a live act?
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 2, 2002 12:40
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Yuli,im actualy deal with deep house scene @ fetish for a 4 years now (from begining of this great place),so i dont feel is a neaighboors,its me..
btw - coco beat dont play every week at fetish,no way..
and for a main question of a topic - i think i prefer dj set. live its a great bonus for a party, but dj set is a breed. its a basic of dance party and its a main food for my ear. dj have way more option for make it realy fit to specific atmosphere/crowd/place. just have enough records and good taste, and u can play everywhere/everytime..
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 2, 2002 12:42
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and yeah, i dont like playback live acts and sure prefer one like e.om. real live with real live show atmosphere.
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Candy
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Posted : Nov 2, 2002 17:40
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Unfortunately, there are very few live sets that I heard I can say were good. I prefer a d.j set in 95%.
The word "live" impresses the crowd, this is why organizers ask from d.js to give a live set.
Also, in most cases, the "live" set is not live at all.
Majority is never right!
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 2, 2002 19:26
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Borris: with all due respect to good DJ skills, you still can't control the cutoff of a lead. You can't make your own elements - a DJ just uses other people's work as tools. A live act is made with control on a much more basic level. Just like you said a live is a DJ set without mixing skills, I could say that a DJ tries to make a live act and just doesn't know how to make music yet.
DJ sets are usually better, since they're much easier to make, but so far, no DJ has moved me in the way that Hallucinogen, Koxbox or Electric Universe when live.
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Bug
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Posted : Nov 2, 2002 21:36
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dj not able to control sound as artist while his live act. but artist while his live act dont have so many differents tunes as good dj have. its very hard i think know to play live music from lounge to full on trance and hardcore techno. so i guess dj have more control on finaly result. he able to play right tunes at right time without any borders (well,only record bag). |
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Davolo
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Posted : Nov 3, 2002 02:29
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On 2002-11-02 21:36, Bug wrote:
dj not able to control sound as artist while his live act. but artist while his live act dont have so many differents tunes as good dj have.
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I guess if you want variety of artists/trax in a set then a DJ is your thing but I have seen live acts that defintely had 'different tunes' throughout the theme of their sets. |
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Squarepusher
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Posted : Nov 3, 2002 03:24
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Obviously thats a matter of taste my friend ,depending of various things,in my opinion i say it depends of the live it is and also the Dj it is ,i only can say there are a few killer live acts wich i will not trade for any Dj set in the world,and bet me that its not a guy with a Bass player that thrills me that often ,im speaking of live acts like perhaps Son Kite live that i saw and i know that is 50 % CD but the other is real live perfomance !!
I saw ppl writing here about the lives composition should be made all in stage,my dear friends in my humble opinion its completely impossible to compose in stage ,maybe a little improvisation is cool but everything????Cant see How !!!
I prefer to see a real live instead of a live P.A.
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Bug
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Posted : Nov 3, 2002 11:55
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thats not about variety trax,thats about variety feelings/atmosphers/styles that fit best to each specific place/crowd.
dj's as synchro or axel can play everything from psychedelic trance to harsh techno (with happy club trance and minimal dark tunes) and make it realy fit to right place and time. live acts pretty border themself coze a live act they work on at home/studio is almost close thing. they can play and control different sounds and play them different from original trak but they have only few trax to play live coze its just impossible to have live show that based on many different tunes.
more variety = dj..
and dont forget that with new mixers dj can do with trak almost everything.
and live acts such quirk dont play live but mark allen play speciasl short versions of trax and tim healey make noises levels with effect modul. kinda cool dj set with extra,and its sounds fantastik and "live". |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Nov 4, 2002 01:13
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Atmosfire, live! and only live
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Subtle Distortion
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Posted : Nov 4, 2002 03:19
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Man I thought the music was whats important. It doesnt matter if its live or dj, if the music is good or bad is whats important right? at least that's how i see it. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Djs are more versitile , but thats cause they're buying their performance at a store. Producers dont have the luxury of buying a set it has to be created with blood, sweat, tears and time. Respect is due.
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and dont forget that with new mixers dj can do with trak almost everything.
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I dont agree with that. Even the latest and greatest mixer will still only effect a 2 channel stereo track. It won't seperate your bassline from your leads, or your high hats from your kicks. You cant remove that weird vocal sample and put it in another place. you cant remix the track exactly, only just mix it with another 2 channel stereo track. These are things a live pa can in fact do if they want.
Its easy to get caught up in the technical aspect of music delivery but sometimes you just have to shut the f**k up and dance cause otherwise why are you at this party? 
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ozric@e.om
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Posted : Nov 4, 2002 04:00
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guys, ur missing my point.
this thred is not a "DJ Vs LIVE" thing. not at all.
what it's about is do u expect LIVE to be LIVE and u feel cheated when some one pretendig he's doing somthing while shaking his head up and down, OR u just don't care.
i know i feel that way when i c a dude turning knobs like madman, but i realize the is no efect to these actions in my ears.
but maybe i'm oldfashion and i take the meaning of LIVE too litraly.
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maka
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Posted : Nov 4, 2002 13:28
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Yes one reason to see somebody live is that you get to hear unreleased tracks. |
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vegetal
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 18:39
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I had a discussion this weekend at a party with an artist from sweden. He/she said to me that we (vegetal and peacespect) put down way to much energy in preparing our live-sets, and her argument was that quote: -No one in the crowd really cares if I would play an instrument or just "press play", i should probably add this "artist" who told me this, has been in the scene at least 7 years and also brings a premixed cd and a synth which isn´t plugged in(playback) to her/his liveset  . The audience want´s to see the artist ,he/she told me. Well to the question now, and this one goes out to the spectators, do you care if the artist really put his spirit in his set, or if he just walks up presses play and then studies his laptopscreen for 2 hours and then bails out fast as hell after he recieves his paycheck. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:03
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I have the feeling not many people notice or care.
A CD with some synths doing some hardly audible sweeps seems to be the standard.
Laptop can and hopefully will change that though.
You have much more possibilities controlling the contents and arrangements really live using software like Abelton Live.
Thats for me what can take trance live to a new level.
Using hardware it's very hard to make the arrangement live, and to just controll some filter sweeps or FX on a arrangement coming fixed from a sequencer is really a unneccessary effort most of the time.
The advantage of making a real live set is more about being able to control the flow of the tracks to suit the audience and computers make that possible in totally new ways.
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