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Do u realy care if live acts are "ALIVE"?
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Watter
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:08
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Hey man, I, as audience, like to see an artist actually play a LIVE set than just plug in the laptop and stare at it pretending to do somthing.... I know most of my friends like to see a REAL LIVE rather than a pre-mixed set....
True enough that most people can't tell the diference but still..... I belive that as an artist you should do it as Live as possible.
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:16
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personally it don't care that much as long as the music is good and not identical to the material released on some album..
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Pointy
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:21
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I am not much into live acts myself, because they create, what I call the "stage effect". People staring at the artists, because they want to "see" something...well, for me it's all about "hearing" and dancing. 
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:23
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I definately wanna see the artist "in action" for real then seeing him standing behind a comp screen pretending to be cool and doing something he aint. I once saw some guys from germany (cant remember their names atm) pull off a really insane live performance at a party here in sweden. The crowd went completely berzerk and a big reason for that was because they performed a kickass set live. That party still tops the list of best parties ive been to.
So hell yeah, time for some of u slackers to start performing for real.  |
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:23
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if it doesn't say "live with a 7 men band on stage" don't expect too much live action of it..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 20:11
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Maybe they should hire in some dancers or have a theatre show if the main thing is to see the artist in action.
What I'm saying is that chances is that what you hear is a lot more live if the artists is using a computer than hardware.
If we are not talking about very minimalistic music it's just not plausible to have much control of the tracks in realtime using a bunch of hardware.
So it's only from prejudgement it seems that people think it's more live if they bring a big hardware studio to the venue.
I really don't understand why anyone like to stand and watch a trance artists playing myself.
If the music is kicking then you dance to their stuff i thought.
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mono mono
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 20:51
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The fact is, there IS a difference between an artist DJ'ing their music and using a computer- if the artists chooses to exploit the potential of the machine. There are so many more options available using a platform such as Ableton Live than using 2 or more CDJ/turntables.
Speaking personally: I'm continuously revamping and searching for the best tradeoff in generating a set that offers sponteneity. I'm looking for those moments in the set where I take a step back from the machine, take a another listen, and think "whoa! that f_ckin' crazy!" Fortunately that has happened and I want more of those moments in the future.
Believe me, we (musical artists as a whole) are still in the infant stage of figuring out the best ways to do this. The software tools are just now offering serious options and control.
I'd say most artists probably lay their computer-based sets completely out in advance. Personally, i'm trying to get in the habit of dropping the tracks (or track chunks) on-the-fly. I have a ton of sound fragments, atmospheres, beat loops, etc that are used to create a trance progression in real-time, usually a dozen or more stereo tracks running, usually to the point of my computer going right to the edge (makes its own breaks!).
Still it's better, and more fun, to have another person or two playing along. Definitely more suprises.
Does anyone think it's worth breaking out the 6-string for some live wanking though?
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Watter
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 21:28
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Hey mono, okay if most of the artist would do as you do it.., it would be a live set or even a laptop sinfony but the way it is done nowadays, in most cases artist just add a fx here and there and say its live... so....
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 21:36
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On 2004-12-07 19:21, Pointy wrote:
I am not much into live acts myself, because they create, what I call the "stage effect". People staring at the artists, because they want to "see" something...well, for me it's all about "hearing" and dancing.
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But what i would give to stand behind Simon Posford and Benji during a live show of 'Sphongle'!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For any other artist im content if he just plays great music.
VIVA SPHONGLE!!!
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 21:43
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there are fakes everywhere...
Something that can really desappoint me thought. Is when the rithm can't get through, there are noises that the artist dont notice, and a not very convinient too dry bass line coming from the speaker that wont make any other sound soft.
I think this is the challenge of every trance artists to make this things clear out of these machine.
I would harder prefer to listen to a good DJ set then any live act. But nice try peers. It is all about getting there really.
I is nice to see people playing instruments. But I wouldn't think the trance scene is about this... Much of my experience is the hearing experience, people trying different things, different sound coming out, and how to make that sound musical then, how to work out the noises... If they did it at a studio or at a party, it does not matter to me. The important thing to me is: Bring the real stuff alive |
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sWa
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 22:04
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Just a something i have to say 
I have this friend, was suppose to gig live in an event so the dude bring his gear latop, k-station, drum-machine, when he comes to the event, the promoter had only fix a dj mixer, and no mixer for lives, when the artist asked him if he had cabels to hook up the sound card (jak output) to the dj mixer (RCA input) the promoter said, ''what you dont have that ?'' so finaly some guy found some cabels, but it was a really stressful moment for that artist, at the end he just played some tracks and launched some drums loops from abelton on, so you see its not always the artists fault 
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 00:32
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On 2004-12-07 21:36, *Karma Cola* wrote:
But what i would give to stand behind Simon Posford and Benji during a live show of 'Sphongle'!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For any other artist im content if he just plays great music.
VIVA SPHONGLE!!!
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What exactly would Benji be doing there again? Maybe you're talking about Younger Brother? I saw them live once. Man in a way it was very dissapointing (this coming off the biggest twisted whore around..). It was as if they popped the cd in and played all the tracks in the exact order as they are on the album. Well it's not like I really saw what was going on on the stage but they were definitely not giving it all. The sounds were pretty much identical to the album. Or maybe I was just too waisted, I don't know..
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slyman604
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 06:23
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i hate the whole idea of "live" trance. Its a fraud. Its all marketting and creates this "rock star", everyone looking at how the artist is playing "live" vibe.
Just say the artist is going to play as a headliner, dont seperate them from the djs.
I think the most interesting thing about psytrance is that its sounds that CANT be made live. |
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 10:36
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I think that I prefer a lot more to hear a live set even if it’s from a laptop but still the sound is greater and the artists always improvise the tweaking of sounds and added sounds for the live act! Whilst in a Dj set it’s just cd’s and mixing nowadays with the cdj is quite easy! The thing I do not like about the live acts is that they start every track from the beginning and the intros are quite long which results in stopping to dance in the dancefloor for that moment it should be more mixed well I think so that you can keep on dancing!
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vegetal
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 11:59
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That is not true i tell you that there are artists out there who just presses play on the laptop or even the cd. And in my world that is what milli vanilli did , and is called playback. I know that it´s impossible for a single artist to do every sound and drumloop live. But i think he needs to do something , play a synth, replace a lead in the track and play that one live ,,, just something,, so we can use the word "live" when we play on parties without being laughed at. |
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