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DJ sued for using MP3

DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 22:18
well.. just think what would happen to the scene if all of a sudden all download sites, etc. would get busted and mp3 flow would stop.

1. The wide variety existing in today's music would disappear, and only the most commercially viable artists would survive. The underground would die out because there's no distribution channels for unreleased tracks and underground labels.

2. 90% of labels would go out of business and only a few best-known ones would survive. Just like before 2001.

3. 90% of all DJs would probably quit or go broke, especially in third world countries.

4. The scene in all the poorer countries, like Brazil, Mexico, India, Eastern and Southern Europe, and Russia will slowly die out. The scene in the richer countries would survive, but most likely suffer a drastic decrease in popularity.

It's pretty much the reverse of what happened when the wide-spread illegal mp3 distribution began a few years ago and the popularity of psytrance ballooned because it was the only genre that didn't make DJs and fans pay huge $$$ to enjoy it.

think about it.
CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 22:33
it's to much to bust people for playing burned cd's.why dont you cut down the prices for the comps?that will b a very efficient measure for now.20$ for a sample cd is 2 much don't u think?
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 22:51
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On 2005-02-18 22:33, CRX wrote:
it's to much to bust people for playing burned cd's.why dont you cut down the prices for the comps?that will b a very efficient measure for now.20$ for a sample cd is 2 much don't u think?


Here we go again...

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On 2005-02-18 22:18, DiMiTry wrote:
3. 90% of all DJs would probably quit or go broke, especially in third world countries.



Not if they can keep the already downloaded backup of all released stuff ever.

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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 00:19
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On 2005-02-18 20:44, traveller wrote:
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Never received a single CDR promo from any label myself..




Pm me your address and soon it will change if you like our stuff

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Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 00:36
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On 2005-02-18 21:48, Spindrift wrote:
I guess the issue is not if it's mp3 or not, but that it is copied though.

I know a lot of DJ's that copy on DAT and CDR still,


well anyway I never take my originals out to play with, I make copies and the originals leave them safe @ Home that goes also for unreleased music.
olowanpi
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 00:49
hi people i think sueing people for things like that
is bullshit we are all cheaters in some way or the other
we try to get the best deal we can

but yes its not the best thing to play mp3
i understand that but please
they say this dj weas fined with 2.1 million swiss franc
thats fucking crazy


and beside when i travel i never take the originals with me
tooo dangerous to travel with
i prefer to make copys and then take the copys with so when i loose them or they get stolen what happen afgew times
so iam not loosing the originals
and thats very important for me
i am working now on a backup system for mebut till then i will take copys with me

and about mp3 thats the best format to travel with
so much music on one small space what s bettter than that

ok i know its a sensitiv thing happening
and as a owner of a label sure i would appreciat people are buying the cd
instead of downloading it but i am now fool to believe that people wont find a way to copy and download
also funny thing is that the big labels also producing empty cd and the burners
also they got fined some years ago for making blackcopys by them self for the asian market (sony and bgm) cause they said it will have anyway illegal copys on the market so better to make themby them self and make some money with it than to loose all of the income
but they forgot to pay the artists and sacked all the money in their pockets



ok so whos the bad guy here its hard to say
but like allwasy they just bust the small fishes

reminds of something illegal            DROPOUT PRODUCTIONS
Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 01:37
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On 2005-02-19 00:36, Kemic-al wrote:

well anyway I never take my originals out to play with, I make copies and the originals leave them safe @ Home that goes also for unreleased music.


And how will you explain that to the cops when you get checked during a set?
And the unreleased music you have?
Do you have a formal agreement with the artists for everything you have a copy of.
And how many of the DJ's you know have cases with only music they got directly from the label or artists.

I know a few DJ's in the scene, but I'm struggling to think of any that does not have some copy sessions to get their hands of some interesting new music.

Now many of the DJ's I know mostly play on free parties since the scene in Goa and Sweden where I been partying mostly is without entrance and no money for the DJ's so I do think it's a different story.

I like to share my music myself, and if a DJ want to help me do that I'm only happy about it.
But if he actually earns money DJ'ing I get pissed off if he does it using any of my tracks. Then he should pay me, no doubt about that

The law of course don't care if it's free parties or not. You still could be sued for unauthorized public performance.
Maybe people want only commercial parties with a limited choice of music.

DiMiTry made some very good points I think that people should consider.
Sure many will not agree to the statement, but I really think that people should take a look at the bright sides of what is happening as well.

I really don't know why we can't try to be a bit nicer with eachother and more positive.
Reality have changed and we have to live with that.
We can choose if we want to stay grumpy and greedy or just start shareing a nice vibe again.
And that is something that fans, artists and labels need to do together, I'm not trying to say one is better behaving than the other.

Just peace out, enough of this bitter suing, arguing and squibbling.
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 02:12
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On 2005-02-18 21:22, Kemic-al wrote:

Finaly yes good news !

hang them or electric chair IMO ! muhahaha

who wants to play mp3 anyway !





I also think this is good news.

They say for every bought CD, 90 are downloaded.



gandharva
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 02:36
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On 2005-02-18 18:03, DETOX wrote:
People love music.

Thiefs love mp3's.

Dont confuse these two.


so now 50% or more people that love music are thieves wach out then and for now i have to be more carefull because there coul be a thief in every street corner .
and once again the same topic

1-i dont beleive that such thing has appened

2-and by the way this is some kind of strategy for labels sell more albums???!!!

3-i believe that a propper d.j has to play original if he gonna get some kind of payment

4-but call him a tief this make me laugh once again label editors and artist tlaking bad about the best way to promote them and this makes me laugh even more

5-but like dimirti said what about 3tr world countries no man they dont have the rigth to hear music (plur)they say ???!!!

6-and we see every time thats a party promotion they come with the philosophy of harmony and plur gaia whatever.???!!!haaa but for that you have to pay TO HAVE THIS FREE STATES OF MIND AND DONT HAVE MP3 AT HOME

7-STOP THE HIPOCRISY

8-and start to be fair and frontal with people you only care about the proffit
Justin Chaos
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 02:42
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On 2005-02-18 22:18, DiMiTry wrote:
well.. just think what would happen to the scene if all of a sudden all download sites, etc. would get busted and mp3 flow would stop.

1. The wide variety existing in today's music would disappear, and only the most commercially viable artists would survive. The underground would die out because there's no distribution channels for unreleased tracks and underground labels.

2. 90% of labels would go out of business and only a few best-known ones would survive. Just like before 2001.

3. 90% of all DJs would probably quit or go broke, especially in third world countries.

4. The scene in all the poorer countries, like Brazil, Mexico, India, Eastern and Southern Europe, and Russia will slowly die out. The scene in the richer countries would survive, but most likely suffer a drastic decrease in popularity.



Sounds good to me mate,sounds great actually!!!
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 04:54

really? you don't like variety in your life?



damage
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 05:57
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On 2005-02-18 17:18, EYB wrote:
Yes the big record companies got lot of money, to much if u ask me. Same with movie companies, they have to much influence to the staates.




i`m sure they didn`t get all that money just sitting on their asses in front of their pcs downloading the whole day. ;-)
The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 06:04
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On 2005-02-19 04:54, DiMiTry wrote:

really? you don't like variety in your life?








oh I like variety as well but I think that confusing massive amountsof crap with variety is a bad thing... recently I split my collectiongintoi classics and into non classics, and am listening to both sections... I have more non classics but there is much more variety in the cassics... I hope the mp3 stops and we are left with the few labels that give true variety and the other shitty labels do die out... the soner this happens the better off all music scenes will be
The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 06:07
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On 2005-02-19 01:37, Spindrift wrote:
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On 2005-02-19 00:36, Kemic-al wrote:

well anyway I never take my originals out to play with, I make copies and the originals leave them safe @ Home that goes also for unreleased music.


And how will you explain that to the cops when you get checked during a set?





pretty easy, has happened to me twice. The cops confiscated my copies so I turned up to court with the originals and copies of when the order were made at Saikosounds, case was thrown out of court both times Hell they even searched my laptop, home pc and mp3 player and found not one single illegal copy haha... I never have promo stuff so I need not worry about that but there is actually not much worng with using copies of your originals
DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 06:47
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On 2005-02-19 06:04, The Journey Man Project wrote:
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On 2005-02-19 04:54, DiMiTry wrote:

really? you don't like variety in your life?








oh I like variety as well but I think that confusing massive amountsof crap with variety is a bad thing... recently I split my collectiongintoi classics and into non classics, and am listening to both sections... I have more non classics but there is much more variety in the cassics... I hope the mp3 stops and we are left with the few labels that give true variety and the other shitty labels do die out... the soner this happens the better off all music scenes will be



oh bull. there's a thousand times more quality and variety in the music right now than 5 years ago. some people say there aren't as many 'classics' being released these days - I say we're just spoiled with all the stuff that's coming out. Many of the so-called 'classics' of the past wouldn't measure up against a decent release from last year.

And would you rather listen to the same 5 albums over and over again for months or would you rather be able to check out 5 different releases in five distinct styles in a single week? and if you don't like these, there are many more to choose from.

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