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Ott^
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 08:48
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Every single report of this story is attributed as originating from "The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI)".
Every single report [BBC, Reuters, Yahoo, The Register etc] is almost word for word identical, and appears to have been copy/pasted from the (IFPI) Press release.
The only variation is the amount of the fine imposed, which varies from report to report from $1800 to $1.2 million.
I seriously doubt that there is a shred of truth in it whatsoever, and I suspect we are witnessing a successful media manipulation excercise in action.
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 09:32
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On 2005-02-19 01:37, Spindrift wrote:
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On 2005-02-19 00:36, Kemic-al wrote:
well anyway I never take my originals out to play with, I make copies and the originals leave them safe @ Home that goes also for unreleased music.
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And how will you explain that to the cops when you get checked during a set?
And the unreleased music you have?
Do you have a formal agreement with the artists for everything you have a copy of.
And how many of the DJ's you know have cases with only music they got directly from the label or artists.
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Easy peazy, well promos I get from friends labels easy can report that was given by them and also the once I buy and music I get directly from other producors they can prove that them selves also, only a matter of time 
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 13:09
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On 2005-02-19 09:32, Kemic-al wrote:
Easy peazy, well promos I get from friends labels easy can report that was given by them and also the once I buy and music I get directly from other producors they can prove that them selves also, only a matter of time
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Well, for a packed DJ case it can take quite a while before the police manage to track down every label and artists fetured in that case.
I'm sure you wouldn't mind to have your case confiscated if you go abroad for a gig and wait for a lengthy investigation.
And legally it's not all easy peasy.
Are the promos you recived proper promos registered with the mechanical royalty organisations?
Any label or artist that is registered have no right to burn a copy of their material and give away to you at will.
And labels that is not registered and still use the "all rights reserved" will infact demand you to get permission to play the realeases in public.
So if you only have official promos and have checked all you CD's and know they are registered or aquired permission from the labels to play them you will be safe.
Anyway I can tell you that if your wishes of electricution for any DJ who play unauthorized copies would become real your signature will become shorter for sure.
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Pointy
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 13:27
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On 2005-02-18 22:18, DiMiTry wrote:
well.. just think what would happen to the scene if all of a sudden all download sites, etc. would get busted and mp3 flow would stop.
1. The wide variety existing in today's music would disappear, and only the most commercially viable artists would survive. The underground would die out because there's no distribution channels for unreleased tracks and underground labels.
2. 90% of labels would go out of business and only a few best-known ones would survive. Just like before 2001.
3. 90% of all DJs would probably quit or go broke, especially in third world countries.
4. The scene in all the poorer countries, like Brazil, Mexico, India, Eastern and Southern Europe, and Russia will slowly die out. The scene in the richer countries would survive, but most likely suffer a drastic decrease in popularity.
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Sounds good to me mate,sounds great actually!!!
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WTF!
Sounds great to you if there were only the biggest and most comercial labels left?
When there was only people DJing, that have enough cash to buy all their music?
When the trance scene in many countries would die out, because people can't effort to buy CDs?
Viva l'élitisme.
It really makes me sad how the capitalistic view of life has taken over the trance scene and ideas of love, sharing and free parties and music has been lost on the way.
I am greateful, that I experienced a time where the main idea was to unite people through the music.
Thanks for your post DiMiTry, imo some of the most valuable words in this thread and I really wish people would think about them with love in their heart and not with money in mind.
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Nemco
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 18:52
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On 2005-02-18 22:18, DiMiTry wrote:
well.. just think what would happen to the scene if all of a sudden all download sites, etc. would get busted and mp3 flow would stop.
1. The wide variety existing in today's music would disappear, and only the most commercially viable artists would survive. The underground would die out because there's no distribution channels for unreleased tracks and underground labels. |
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Explain to me why the variety would disappear. Artists that release tracks on labels will still be there. Artists that don't will still be able to get their music out there through the internet, and since their music is not licensed or anything, there is no problem with anyone copying it. The 'underground' having no channels to distribute through? The mp3-format will still exist, so will the internet...
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Why would labels go out of business? Do the regular labels get any income to begin with from everyone illegally downloading music? If anything, they might even sell slightly more... And the net-labels, they'll still exist, what they're doing is legally selling music through the internet.
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Perhaps some would quit indeed. I have little problem with that though, escpecially with the ones you say will go broke. They deserve to go broke if they make money out of playing music they didn't even pay for. A real DJ, a real music lover buys his music imo.
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There will allways still be DJ's that do invest in the music they are spinning. You may be right about a decrease of music and availability though. But really, if that increase is only there because everybody is playing illegal music, then those people should think about what they're doing.
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karmasy
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 19:22
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On 2005-02-19 04:54, DiMiTry wrote:
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oh bull. there's a thousand times more quality and variety in the music right now than 5 years ago. some people say there aren't as many 'classics' being released these days - I say we're just spoiled with all the stuff that's coming out. Many of the so-called 'classics' of the past wouldn't measure up against a decent release from last year.
And would you rather listen to the same 5 albums over and over again for months or would you rather be able to check out 5 different releases in five distinct styles in a single week? and if you don't like these, there are many more to choose from.
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You must be kidding.
Quality is a rare animal these days.
And yes give me 5 wonderful classics and you can keep the 5000 crap releases coming out every month.
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Elad
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 20, 2005 06:36
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On 2005-02-19 18:52, Nemco wrote:
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On 2005-02-18 22:18, DiMiTry wrote:
well.. just think what would happen to the scene if all of a sudden all download sites, etc. would get busted and mp3 flow would stop.
1. The wide variety existing in today's music would disappear, and only the most commercially viable artists would survive. The underground would die out because there's no distribution channels for unreleased tracks and underground labels. |
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Explain to me why the variety would disappear. Artists that release tracks on labels will still be there. Artists that don't will still be able to get their music out there through the internet, and since their music is not licensed or anything, there is no problem with anyone copying it. The 'underground' having no channels to distribute through? The mp3-format will still exist, so will the internet...
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Why would labels go out of business? Do the regular labels get any income to begin with from everyone illegally downloading music? If anything, they might even sell slightly more... And the net-labels, they'll still exist, what they're doing is legally selling music through the internet.
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Perhaps some would quit indeed. I have little problem with that though, escpecially with the ones you say will go broke. They deserve to go broke if they make money out of playing music they didn't even pay for. A real DJ, a real music lover buys his music imo.
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There will allways still be DJ's that do invest in the music they are spinning. You may be right about a decrease of music and availability though. But really, if that increase is only there because everybody is playing illegal music, then those people should think about what they're doing.
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Well, first of all, most DJs out there don't make much money off gigs. A lot of psy DJs play for free, at free parties or for tiny compensation which can buy maybe 2 CDs. The tiny minority of better-known DJs do get paid. Do you even realize how much money you have to spend to keep up with the music these days? I don't think you do.
The reason there are so many labels out these days is because they serve primarily as promotional tools for artists. An artist gets released (usually for a low fee) and then gets paying gigs all over the world. If the worldwide popularity of trance decreases, which it's bound to do if the music stops being free, the artists won't get nearly as many gigs, and as a result will demand much more money from labels, which will lead to most labels not being able to afford releasing anything but what sells. And what sells the most? Simple, commercial music.
And yes, if there's no more mp3 flow on the net, underground artists won't be able to release their music easily. A few label DJs will have access to all the unreleased material, and the variety will go down a lot.
Just trace the evolution of psytrance since massive downloading began a couple of years ago. Close it off, and you will be back there in no time.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 20, 2005 06:39
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On 2005-02-19 19:22, karmasy wrote:
You must be kidding.
Quality is a rare animal these days.
And yes give me 5 wonderful classics and you can keep the 5000 crap releases coming out every month.
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quality was a rare animal in those days, too. and there was a lot less to choose from.
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 20, 2005 10:53
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On 2005-02-19 06:47, DiMiTry wrote:
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On 2005-02-19 04:54, DiMiTry wrote:
really? you don't like variety in your life?
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oh I like variety as well but I think that confusing massive amountsof crap with variety is a bad thing... recently I split my collectiongintoi classics and into non classics, and am listening to both sections... I have more non classics but there is much more variety in the cassics... I hope the mp3 stops and we are left with the few labels that give true variety and the other shitty labels do die out... the soner this happens the better off all music scenes will be 
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oh bull. there's a thousand times more quality and variety in the music right now than 5 years ago. some people say there aren't as many 'classics' being released these days - I say we're just spoiled with all the stuff that's coming out. Many of the so-called 'classics' of the past wouldn't measure up against a decent release from last year.
And would you rather listen to the same 5 albums over and over again for months or would you rather be able to check out 5 different releases in five distinct styles in a single week? and if you don't like these, there are many more to choose from.
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hehe ok but um I have a few hundred original psy n' dub cd's, and I'd say out of that few hundred yeah there is probably maybe 50 I listen to contantly and guess what? Every one of them is from 1998 or earlier |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 20, 2005 12:20
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Pretty much all genres have gone downhill a bit the last decade.
I think it has to do more with the inspiration level on the planet that mp3.
Why you think so much pop on the radio is covers??
Why is there now new exciting genres popping up nowadays like in the mid 90's?
By decresing the variety and having a purly commercial scene I don't think artists in this scene will overcome the difficulties in being creative that is prevalent in most scenes today.
I feel times is changeing to the better again though, and last year there has definatly been an upsurge in creative flow again IMO.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 20, 2005 13:02
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On 2005-02-19 08:48, Ott^ wrote:
Every single report of this story is attributed as originating from "The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI)".
Every single report [BBC, Reuters, Yahoo, The Register etc] is almost word for word identical, and appears to have been copy/pasted from the (IFPI) Press release.
The only variation is the amount of the fine imposed, which varies from report to report from $1800 to $1.2 million.
I seriously doubt that there is a shred of truth in it whatsoever, and I suspect we are witnessing a successful media manipulation excercise in action.
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Nemco
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Posted : Feb 20, 2005 19:21
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On 2005-02-20 06:36, DiMiTry wrote:
Well, first of all, most DJs out there don't make much money off gigs. A lot of psy DJs play for free, at free parties or for tiny compensation which can buy maybe 2 CDs. The tiny minority of better-known DJs do get paid. Do you even realize how much money you have to spend to keep up with the music these days? I don't think you do.[quote]
Don't just assume I don't know how much money DJ'ing in general costs... I know people who spend nearly half the money they make a month on their DJ-ing... and I myself do the same.
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Demand more money? It's not quite that simple my friend.
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Just explain to me why? Underground artists will still be able to send their demo's to labels, if they don't want to, they can still put it up on the net... People who are connected to labels will allways and have allways been able to get music that others have not, all because of their contacts, and the contacts of their contacts... that won't change.
Anyway, we're going way offtopic with this, but let me just say that I for one refuse to believe that psytrance and dance music in general lives soley of illegal music distribution. I won't deny that the flow of mp3's has done a lot of good for the electronic dance music scene as well. But imo it's also gone a bit too far.
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eMpTy
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I think Ott is right on this one, he know his pr0n, especially the amputee stuff.
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On 2005-02-19 06:07, The Journey Man Project wrote:
pretty easy, has happened to me twice. The cops confiscated my copies so I turned up to court with the originals and copies of when the order were made at Saikosounds, case was thrown out of court both times Hell they even searched my laptop, home pc and mp3 player and found not one single illegal copy haha... I never have promo stuff so I need not worry about that but there is actually not much worng with using copies of your originals
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Where do you live that the cops can just search you like that? I guess I have been living too long in the belly of the beast but in the US the cops can't just search somebody because they suspect them of something, they need probable cause (of course they can search you and arrest you with out PC but you will have the case dismissed), they need some kind of evidence, a reason to believe you are breaking the law.
Personally I try not to divide the field of experience in to right and wrong because it reduces the infinite into parts and makes synchronicity hard to impossible to experience and I am a synchro junkie.
Should the cops search artists HDs for illegal samples or cracked software and arrest and fine them? Where would we be then?
I think what it comes down to is convienience, if there was an "iTMS" for all our lables where one could purchase tracks individually at a reasonably discounted price, not the regular "iTMS" prices which are still overpriced IMO. Where one could create an account and pay with MO or check instead of a credit card. I guess it is just a matter of time. But of course this has been discussed before.
The artist can concentrate on making good tracks rather than trying to fill an album with mediocre tracks, get rid of the lables and give the cash strainght to the artist.
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 07:58
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So Yeah, back to the topic, the guy got busted for a case FULL of copied CD's.. Meaning he most probably didn't buy any of his music.. they also say he's a "well know" dj that gets paid, so he must have made a few bucks with dj'ing mp3's. Being a dj that has purchased 96% of the stuff i play out at parties(96% of the time for free) i can honestly say that the guy got what was comming for him. He had OVER 2000 mp3 tracks(or cd's, im not sure)... but that probably means about 64 burnt CD's in his case... That's alot of burnt material. I don't burn any of my stuff and i don't keep my original's locked up in a safe either, meaning that at a party, your getting a taste of the final product. I don't see why people would want to burn all there music as backup's unless they are THAT scared to get there case stolen at a party (in that case, bring it back to your car after your set). I mean, whats the point in buying originals if your not even going to use them for your primary reason? (djing and listening)??
YES, 1.4 million E is alot of money for this, but it might make people think twice about becoming the next DJ KAZAA.. and that in it self will do alot of good to the scene..
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