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DJ sued for using MP3

Pavel
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 19:38
What's next? Public executions? Electric chair? This is ridiculous, sorry.
It's enough to hear stories about rapists in my beatiful country getting away from punishment and getting fines instead of jail. Now, they'll put poor dj's behind the bars?
This is a stupid way to fight the problem, sorry.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
krelm
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 19:41
Even though I'm firmly against DJs relying on pirated mp3s at parties (especially when they are making money from it), I still think this is bullshit and sets a very bad precedent. 3 things about this really concern me...

1. I buy a lot of music digitally from places like Beatport, EDM Digital. If the "authorities" (whether it be police as in the Italian case or club official in the case that pr0fane is talking about) open up my CD case, they will see a lot of burned CDs. It's all stuff I've purchased, but how the hell are they going to know that unless I carry around the receipts to all of my gigs?

2. I make a habit of burning much of my vinyl to CD - this way I only bring my most current vinyls but still have the music from the old ones available in CD format. Once again, this leads to a lot of suspicious-looking CDRs in my case. How am I supposed to prove to somebody that I actually own the vinyl short of taking them to my studio and actually showing them (or once again carrying the receipts around)?

3. What about CDR promos from labels? I usually have a few of those in my case, many of which have already been officially released. There is no way to proove that I obtained those legally even though it was given to me directly by the label (which owns the copyright). What's to stop DJs from getting fined (or stopped from playing a gig at certain clubs) if they have a lot of promos on CDR in their case? Do you have to get some "permission form" from the label?

Are DJs going to have to become accountants and start carrying around a briefcase full of receipts and forms to prevent getting ridiculous fines like this?

Oh, and the DJ was fined €1.4 million! I'm sorry, but that is fucking excessive.

Yes, there is a major problem with mp3s, but this sort of shit is going about it completely the wrong way, IMO.

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Narcosis
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 20:13
I hate mp3s...           Trance Sound As A Medium Towards Mystical Experience...
sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 20:30
good points krelm...


now what just sounds ridiculous about some people´s answers in this thread is the once again totally unreal idea that because this dj thing happened, it will change anything.. When will you guys realize there is absolutely no way mp3s will completely stop?

(but of course, its nice if people buy their favourites cds, or go to parties supporting artists... but that is something else)
traveller
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 20:44
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On 2005-02-18 19:41, krelm wrote:

3. What about CDR promos from labels? I usually have a few of those in my case, many of which have already been officially released. There is no way to proove that I obtained those legally even though it was given to me directly by the label (which owns the copyright). What's to stop DJs from getting fined (or stopped from playing a gig at certain clubs) if they have a lot of promos on CDR in their case? Do you have to get some "permission form" from the label?






Never received a single CDR promo from any label myself..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
EYB
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 20:47
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 20:59
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On 2005-02-18 19:36, Spindrift wrote:
If the venue pay the fees to the royalty organisations and you only play music from labels who is signed up with the same organisations.

Not all trance labels is signed up, so you have to check with their license terms.
A lot of the labels actually use terms that in effect means that you have to contact them and get permission to play the music.

I recommend talking to a laywer if you want to have a DJ carrier in the trance scene and budget for a lot of correspondance with labels.





yeah that what i meant..
so it doesnt matter if its mp3s or orginals..
djing is illegal..           http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:04
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On 2005-02-18 20:59, Ron Lyner wrote:

yeah that what i meant..
so it doesnt matter if its mp3s or orginals..
djing is illegal..




Damn those robbers, stealers.. they are acting illegal.. I say let´s go on a witch hunt against djs

KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:20
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When will you guys realize there is absolutely no way mp3s will completely stop?




Here it is another story Sherlock.. Deejaying mp3s and being paid for this.. is really the last straw..           .
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Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:22

Finaly yes good news !

hang them or electric chair IMO ! muhahaha

who wants to play mp3 anyway !

Pavel
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:23
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On 2005-02-18 20:44, traveller wrote:

Never received a single CDR promo from any label myself..




I did.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
krelm
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:27
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On 2005-02-18 20:44, traveller wrote:
Never received a single CDR promo from any label myself..



So? Regardless of whether or not YOU receive them, quite a few people do receive them for various reasons.....

Music reviewers for print magazines usually request the music 2-3 months before the release due to printing lag (this is standard for more well-known publications).

Well-known DJs often receive CDRs from labels months before the promos are even out. Look through the top 10 section for some of the more famous DJs (not the bullshit trading top 10s) on the board and you'll see a lot of things which are obviously CDRs.

Some people (my particular case) write the promo texts & press releases for labels - this typically happens between the mastering and printing stages, so the music received is on a CDR. Sometimes labels are bad about sending the actual release once it's printed so the CDR is never replaced with the real CD.

Label DJs often receive releases on CDR from their label months before it ever goes to press.

Some people are just "in" with labels or artists and get sent stuff way early.

There are plenty of other reasons why somebody might have a CDR promo that I'm probably leaving out here.

Point being, there are numerous reasons why a DJ would have CDRs in their case aside from illegal downloading. If such things are controlled, whether by the particular clubs or the police, it could really cause some serious problems for a lot of people who have done absolutely nothing wrong.

I don't want to be in a situation where I have to try to get all of my receipts from digital download stores, show all of my vinyls (or receipts) to an auditor, or try to get some sort of official letter from a label about a promo just to avoid paying some stupid fine. I've said it before and I'll say it again - this sort of bullshit is the wrong way to tackle a very serious problem. The music industry (on all levels) needs to wake the fuck up and focus their energies to something that is actually going to work.

(my last tirade wasn't directed at you traveller - just a general "annoyed after a long week" tirade )
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:28
I did too and i am sure that the cd has a sticker on it saying FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY PLEASE DONT COPY which proves a lot of things

P.S Labels have a certain promo list and if somebody from the authorities has to identify if your cd is a copy or a promo its easy to prove it if you ask me           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:28
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On 2005-02-18 20:44, traveller wrote:
Never received a single CDR promo from any label myself..





I do too and still do.
Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:48
I guess the issue is not if it's mp3 or not, but that it is copied though.

I know a lot of DJ's that copy on DAT and CDR still, and some of the most massive DJ's in the scene for sure do.
Mentioning names feel a bit out in this lynch mob though.
But if you think there is DAT DJ's that ONLY copy directly from the labels and artists themself you are fooling yourself.

And I have never seen a single DJ in goa who are playing only original CD's.
The audience there is very picky after travelling on festivals all summer and then going out dancing ever evening.
I have seen enough people shouting in the DJ box about how many times they heard a particular track before.
So playing only released music wont get ytou far there at least.
So I can say that what I know there is not one DJ who plays in Goa who does not copy any music without direct permission

I cannot say that I wish for that to completly stop, because the DJ's I like mostly happen to play much unreleased stuff and is dedicating themself to find that by sitting having copy sessions.
Someone playing released music as mp3 copies is IMO slighty different, but not from a legal perspective.

But the DJ that get gigs where they actually get paid for sure ows it to the artist to give him something for his work.

I don't think all of you shouting for lynching here actually would like it to happen if you realised that we are talking about a lot of your friends or favorite DJ's.

I really think it's sad to see how this scene have turned to such a greedy and narrow minded bunch of hate monglers.

It would really not surprise me if a lot of people would be glad if all producers and DJ's in this scene that use any kind of drug got busted as well.
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