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nobody4
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 09:56
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I believe that this topic should be devided into 2: The inapropriate use of downloaded/stolen MP3s, and (as usual) the inapropriate/silly/stupid reaction of the authorities.
Playing downloaded music is a direct violation of copyrights. Anyone doing so is indeed acting against common laws.
However, the authorities reaction in this incident is as incorrect. Like an elephant in a china shop they stomp in regardless of any common sense and try to enforce laws that cannot be enforced.
For Israelies - take a look at the latest case between Microsoft and the Spammer Amir Ganesh. The fucker should be hanged by his balls for spamming, but suing him directly for using a tool that he's not responsible of (the possibility to use Email as commercial tool) is as bad as the 'crime'.
More so, the same can be said about the 'war on drugs': I'm sure that most will agree that drugs can create many problems and should be dealt with, yet the way the authorities handle drugs and drug-users is probably worse than the 'crime' of using the drug.
The points made by Krelm, for instance, can negate most of the charges any police might raise against a working DJ. There can be other examples like making your own copies of purchesed material or maybe even playing your own stuff...
Point is that MP3 trade is indeed hurting the industry, but fighting our clientelle will only alienate us (the copyright owners) from our target crowd.
We certainly need to find new ways to exist without criminalizing our crowd.
Like Michael Duglas said in "Traffic": Fighting the war against drugs forces us to fight our own families. And I don't know how one fights his own family".
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 12:49
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Its a hoax. |
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 12:53
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How would any sane person convert his bought CD's into CD's with mp3? That does not make any sense.
So it's a hoax or the DJ did indeed not own a single track on those CD's! |
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 16:28
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Mp3s PARADE
Every organiser from everycountry should get involved in organizing a parade about illegal dowloads.
it will cause a lot $$$. biggrin:
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Krusty
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 17:25
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I think it is clear that there is a lot more to this story than just a guy playing some MP3's. They describe in the article illegal video material...this could be anything from people doing things with children to animals etc. we don't know...as well as that audio visual material...again very unspecific...maybe the guy liked to make his own videos too.... I think it is good that the authorities are willing to take action, but perhaps a more sensible productive way is to look at means to control the downloading somehow.
To be honest though there will always be enough people playing either their own music or original versions... it is true that maybe not so much music is passed around now as there are those unscrupulous people who are happy to place music for download without permission. But as I say there will always be those who don't need MP3's to play the best music. MP3 just allows a lot of wannabees the oportunity to pretend they have the latest music...they know deep down inside this just isn't true...let them live the illusion... and then get fined 1.4 million...still trouble is that forces them to download more..even less money than before... circles, vicious circles |
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kriz
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 17:28
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lazy_i
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 13:46
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yeah but also, music sounds much worse when it is on MP3 format, you lose a lot of the layers and depth. psy-trance was definitely not made to listen on MP3s, i think you can feel it in parties if someone is using MP3, it just sounds shit compared to the rest. |
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Wizdumb
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 01:42
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Well, first of all, most DJs out there don't make much money off gigs. A lot of psy DJs play for free, at free parties or for tiny compensation which can buy maybe 2 CDs. The tiny minority of better-known DJs do get paid. Do you even realize how much money you have to spend to keep up with the music these days? I don't think you do.
The reason there are so many labels out these days is because they serve primarily as promotional tools for artists. ]
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Well if one respectes the artists,and what they do, and wished to be part of,or contribute INTERNALY to the 'scene' then making sure a bit of money goes to the Makers is really an ideal way, to A. incourage more producers (ideally with original ideas ,and style !  )to B. Assist the artists/producers in devoting more of there time to creation, and artistsic concisness without going fully broke,i mean its kinda hard to work 2/3 jobs and still find the time/funds for production,Djing and the gear involved etc
C. will allow for more widespride promotion of psytrance ie sweet ferstivals, more artists coming to visit in your hometown etc etc......
The nature of psytrance in general roots wise, the music has indeed evolved and traveld quite a bit due to, Exchanging and sharing , yes, DAT, CDR, MD etc espeically early on....now times have changed abit...and most by now should understand, the rapidly changing (and soemtimes NOT so rapidly changining) nature of Psy trance
I mean come on..if you got a copy of something you really listen to and injoy...then quite frankly shame on you if you never buy the original! You owe it to whats 'right' to make a contribution IF possible
and remember by doing so you contribute to quility.
...help the music vibe travel, and invest in what you love !!!!!!!!
really 20$ is nothing..when you compare to what goes into it, and what your getting out of it!!! as well as where its CAME from and where YOU could help it GO... =))
and 'god forbiding' should you make a CDR copy for a friend (preferbly a poor hippy traveling friend who cant offerd cds!)then make sure to share some details about the artist/label , and where they can get ahold of there works ,than hopefully that person will sooner or later buy the original, and take pride (lol) in owning some trippy insanity on plastik . I belive though there are more and more people that can realisticly see and understand if we all do our part moraly, and contribute to what we love and what brings us injoyment,then in theory this helps it grow and evolve..
And Yah MP3's sound crappy, and you lose depth ,layers and 'soul' not to mentoin overall low, lame ass volume levels!!!
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Posted : Feb 19, 2005 08:48
Every single report of this story is attributed as originating from "The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI)".
Every single report [BBC, Reuters, Yahoo, The Register etc] is almost word for word identical, and appears to have been copy/pasted from the (IFPI) Press release.
The only variation is the amount of the fine imposed, which varies from report to report from $1800 to $1.2 million.
I seriously doubt that there is a shred of truth in it whatsoever, and I suspect we are witnessing a successful media manipulation excercise in action.
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 08:22
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On 2005-02-21 16:28, _Vanessa_ wrote:
Mp3s PARADE
Every organiser from everycountry should get involved in organizing a parade about illegal dowloads.
it will cause a lot $$$. biggrin:
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Yeah like LOVE Parade 
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 11:51
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The same story, but a different twist:
The New York Times recently made a review about the big three in the electronic scene (Chemical Brothers, Fat Boy Slim, The Prodigy) and their point of view is sad, but realistic:
-in USA the electronic market is shrinking, because people are tired of the sameness. In the LA area there aren't many outdoor parties anymore because people think it's too exhaustive dancing without any comfort. And in the NY the hip-hop scene has stolen the best nights at local clubs (thu to sat), and electronic nights at midweed don't work well.
-and related to this topic, no other musical scene causes so much deficit to its artists as the electronic one.
Sad.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 11:53
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Oh, I mean this deficit is caused by, of course, downloading mp3 instead of buing CDs.
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 12:27
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On 2005-02-26 11:53, goa-ganges wrote:
Oh, I mean this deficit is caused by, of course, downloading mp3 instead of buing CDs.
Peace and Love
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Oh no, i think that the mentioned 3 artists should check if their music is still interesting to anyone. Thier last output is far below the standards they have set in 90's.
They should blame only themselves.
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 15:40
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No Fat Boy Slim gets better and better and better...
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nahimoff
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 20:39
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well i feel i must add my 3.5 cents to this topic being very connected to myself as a label owner, dj and party promoter and even a former distribution manager...
so first things first: regarding this busted guy i believe like ott its a lame and not so bright attempt to show the "international community of mp3 traders" that the authorities are attacking the problem furiously.
this is naturally the wrong way to look at it, although i detest (sorry for the strong word thats the lightest way to show my feelings) dimitry`s point of view but i will reach that later.
so mp3 problem is it a real problem? did this break our market and scene? does it help us labels in any way?
To be completely honest with you we labels should actually be happy that people download our music, of course we would be much more happy if all these ppl would also buy our cds but that will not happen.
So we labels actually benefit something from the ruthless mp3 downloading, by getting more feedbacks and more attention to our releases.
Anyway we cannot blame the downloders for downloading when they have a free option for that, like we cannot call them thieves although they break the criminal law of copyright protection.
Since we cannot fight it we can try to "join " it by putting our releases in mp3 selling websites, and hope it will catch on (although it still doesnt), and try to create more and more interesting and exclusive features on our releases to grab peoples attention and maybe convince them to actually invest money in buying the cd simply cause its worth the money!! by putting stickers or flyers in the cds or making membership deals for label fans, the sky is the limit the only thing most labels lack is motivation cause they are too hooked up on blaming the mp3 industry..
regarding the busted dj`s case if it was full of mp3 files he should be anyway put in jail imo cause the mp3 sound really sucks on a big system it is maybe good enough for home listening or even heqadphone listening but it doesnt pass the PA test at all soundwise and sounds weak.
I have in my case mostly cdrs simply from the fact that im a label A&R and most of the stuff i play is unreleased anyway, but the already released cds are mostly orginals as much as possible, but its not fair cause i rarely buy a trance cd anymore (distribution benefits..), on the other hand i buy original cds of my loved music not only electronic music, like rammstein or REM or the last U2 and chemical brothers albums for the support.
I agree with the majority of claims that cds are too expencive to be consumed on a normal basis by the relatively poor trance comunity and can tell you that im doing all i can to get our cds and the cds i used to distribute to lower the end customers price as much as possible, and i know we succeeded in some "normal" cd shops to get our cds to be sold for 15 euro instead of 18-20 euro, also on most internet webshops our cds are sold for 12-13 euro plus shipping..
now regarding dimitry`s post :
1. underground cannot die simply cause its a way of life and thinking to a lot of people in this scene, nobody is going to close internet as a way of comunication and information source so underground can survive of course in these conditions, and of course variety can never die since it is more and more easy to make music today.
Most of the new artists i meet and hear their stuff come through my messenger connection or ICQ and this is undoubdtedly will continue being the best comunication form today crossing oceans, lands and language barriers even.
Among the wide variety of bad music released there is a big place for what is described as underground music from underground labels, this music being sold quite good compared to other genres and those label can actually go on releasing music which is underground indeed but still keep the good production values to keep their fans satisfied, so i find it hard to believe it will disappear, probably reduce as well as other more "commercial labels" which will not be able to keep up the pace.
2. this is really out of reason! what youre saying is that if people could not download free music anymore it will close 90% of the labels? the same labels who anyway dont see a damn cent from this free downloading? how is that connected to each other in a meaningful way? i agree that som labels will suffer from this action but it can never go back to what it was before 2001 cause the world around us is not the same, its much easier today to make electronic music at home, and not much harder to release a cd (even though it seems complicated) this is why there are so many new labels... its just easy guys!
3. regarding dj going broke because they could not download free mp3.. thats complete crap, and reflects the general attitude towards the DJ profession.
Guys who want to play for their close friends in free underground parties is completely cool, hey i started also like that 13 years ago, but if youre going to be a professional DJ and charge money for it you MUST!! support the scene you are going to milk money from its just a must otherwise youre lying to yourself really, and sorry to open your eyes guys but being a DJ is indeed a profession also in third world countries! it all depends how you take it and how you act in your own territory, i know very good producers from third wrld countries like really bad from established countries, and especially today with fast internet almost in every corner of the globe this excuse is week! if you are from mexico or brazil or india for that matter and do good music you wil get to where you need to get depending on your motivation only!! not your physical residenship, except in countries like romania or bulgaria where there is absolutely no active trance scene and then of course anyway you need to work harder to find peace outside of your country of residence .
4. the scene in the countries mentioned except east europe which i`m not really familiar with, are very young and enthusiastic scenes, I played recently in brazil and discovered a well working quite professional scene with flips here and there of course but with enough ppl who WANT to do something and thats the main point here when you want to do something it doesnt depend on being able to free download mp3 at all. Its like saying you dont want to go see a football game because you will have to eat a hot dog in the field.. it has completely no connection to each other.
the development of this scenes depend on the people operating them like anywhere else in the world, and since cd markets are not common or rather not really big today also in those countries mentioned the fact mp3 download being legal or not is completely irrelevant for the local almost non existing market.
so thats it more or less just wanted to share my own point of view in this very important issue hope it was not too gloomy for you to accept but its based on our everyday reality in the scene and market.
If anyone has more inside info they would like to know i will submit happily you must know all the facts before you can make the desicions right?
Big love and hope for a better future (although the present is really not as bad as it looks)
DJ NADI EarPeaks music Group (Domo/Tupan/Gat music)
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 26, 2005 22:23
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Nadi,
you are one who speaks a lot of sense... good points...
just one thing about this last point of yours.. I dont know if I understand you propperly, but it seems you say that the fact there are a lot of mp3s and downloads in Brazil does not influence much the scene... if that´s so, then its the only point I dont agree with you
The scene in Brazil is pretty big, as you could see.. Now, the amount of people that buy cds in Brazil is very small (lots of taxes for importing cds for example, and devaluated money).. This means that most people that like trance and go to parties to listen to their favourite artists have never bought a trance cd... So this means that the party scene (which you were able to enjoy, get money out of it, and get your travel tickets payed probably) would most likely not be there (or at least not in this size) and maybe many of the big artists would have never played there...
so it does have a connection with mp3s, and without them the scene in Brazil would be much much smaller, (as far as I can ´calculate´)...
(this is not to say that mp3s are only good.. They have the disadvantages too, and I believe buying cds is a nice thing, when possible. Im one of the few people that do that, but I see how mp3s help the party scene which is a very good way of supporting the scene and artists too) |
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