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dj skills and software ?

fohat


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Posted : Jul 6, 2007 15:15
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Traktor is much more limited in it's abilities since it's really more of a CDJ emulation software than a Live performance software.
So you don't have the instant access to loops and fx like in live, no VST support, instant beat detection instead of the much more powerful and reliable (as well as time-consuming) warping in Live and maximum 4 tracks.
I guess coming from a DJ background Traktor will be easier to get started with though....but since your keen on doing hard work to get the best result I would for sure go for Live since it gives you a lot more abilities.



would agree on that except of this beat detection thing within traktor. if you are working with beat grids you get 100% accurate results. if not than tracks will drift and getting out of sync in 95% of all cases and even worse it is often times impossible to get tracks synced at all. this is imo one reason why people think that traktor suck big time. they expect two perfectly synced tracks in just pressing the sync button. but that's not the way it works!!! but as a lot of traktor users are mixing that way, results are poor and leads to bad reputation (as mentioned in other posts). so as you have to warp your tracks within live it is important to set beat grids in traktor and then you get perfect results. and hell yes it is still necessary to adjust tempo and to pitch, the laptop doesn't replace ears
Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 9, 2007 19:40
I haven't used Traktor for a few years, but AFAIK the beat grid is not as flexible as Live's warping.

Warping in Live is elastic so if there is any tempo variations in the track you can timestretch beat for beat to make sure it syncs to the master tempo all the time.

Usually most trance have steady beats, but I had the occasional track where you for example have a breakdown where it slows down and doesn't come back straight on the beat, and in that kind of situation the warping in Live is very handy.           (``.(``.(``..`).`).`)
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duodenumz
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Posted : Jul 10, 2007 14:07
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where is the mixer ?? or does the computer output to two different channels on the mixer found at the party ? or you use your midi keyboard as a mixer ?

also, would you recommend Traktor or Live ? thx



My first digital rig was simple:
-iBook
-M-Audio Firewire Audiophile
-house mixer

I ran all my files in Traktor at 320 MP3 or WAV, using 2 outputs to the house mixer. I then manually beatmatched AND mixed everything just like I used to with vinyl. You can get really fast with this setup, but you need to get used to "riding" the tempo controls instead of "nudging". So Traktor is actually a good solution if you're really not interested in moving more towards a DJ/live act. Once you move to Live, it will consume your time and make you rethink how you DJ.
Kane
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Posted : Jul 19, 2007 15:13
Anyone can mix with Traktor or Ableton, but anyone can mix with decks and a mixer too with some practice..programs just make it easier, but the skills to use both methods are necessary. But Ableton and Traktor, especially Ableton, have a lot of other uses that are helpful to live performers that you couldn't do with CD decks.

Personally, Ableton has always been able to beatmatch better for me than Traktor..Traktor just keeps losing the match and it gets difficult to keep it adjusted with the mouse, but with Ableton I haven't had any problems other than some stretched sounds from tracks with very different tempos, but this is expected with any dj software.

When you aren't playing live material, unless you really like getting into all the looping segment layering and fx that Ableton and Traktor can provide, it's usually easier to just play on the decks anyway, since you don't have to bring a laptop/controller, worry about your laptop crashing, etc...and if you use a laptop to DJ people might mistake your tracks for originals, if that's a rational enough reason..

When I DJ, I just use the decks, and my live setup is just a basic laptop/soundcard/controller rig with ableton used for all of the "live" elements...but I won't get into the whole "live" argument.
Jester Records
Jester Records

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Posted : Jul 25, 2007 19:47
Here is a little article written by the people at Beatport regarding laptop Dj's. . lol.. its funny if you ask me !!

http://www.beatportal.com/news/item/laptop-djs-replaced-by-cubes-of-light/

enjoy !!           www.jesterrecords.ca
DJ Buju
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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 19:05
I love the ones who point out in this thread that Beat Matching is an easy thing that takes a few seconds if that.. pfff...
For me playing vinyl it takes a good minute to get all the tempo right and sometime more then that, on top of that i need to be in attention all the time as the speed might very a little and slide away from the other records speed.
My hands are busy all the time on the vinyl, mixer and my box of records.
I guess it does take a second to beatmatch if the computer does it for you funny part is seeing the laptop DJ sure that is beatmatching is correct when actually it's soooo not! just because the laptop / mixer show you the bpm it does not mean that the records are sitting beat on beat.
I'd always recommend to every person to use what is best for them but if someone tells me he wants to get into DJing i'd send him 2 get a pair of 1210's and spend some cash @ his local record shop and start the messabout
Just my opinion.

BUju
fohat


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Posted : Jul 27, 2007 13:26
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On 2007-07-26 19:05, DJ Buju wrote:
I love the ones who point out in this thread that Beat Matching is an easy thing that takes a few seconds if that.. pfff...

...funny part is seeing the laptop DJ sure that is beatmatching is correct when actually it's soooo not! just because the laptop / mixer show you the bpm it does not mean that the records are sitting beat on beat....




And I love the ones thinking that laptop dj's are thinking if the bpm value on two decks are showing the same value that job with beat matching is done ;-)
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