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Saimon/Genetic Spin
Genetic Spin
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 12:45
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Dear Saimon,
I would like to answer to your questions...
Well, I don't think that those artists really want to produce "CRAP" music on purpose. Maybe they don't even know that what they do is not a fine elaborate production!
Secondly, I completely agree with you that music is a matter of taste, but from the other side, sound and production quality is not a matter of taste!
Then, of course, there is an evolution, a development and improvement in any artist as long as keeps on with producing music. But the question here is not this! Of course I don't expect "newcomers" to create the most sophisticated album or track!
What I would like to see is a mature approach to the music production! No amatuerisch-childish way....if you know what I mean!
Moreover, I would like to agree with you once again whe you say "A possitive thing about the fact that many people makes music - is that it makes it harder to stand out, make something special/original, which pushes (some) people in new directions..." but unfortunately i don't see something of really special!
Maybe is me, that I am used to be surrounded by high quality products....and i just can't stand the decadance of this scene....
Anyway, I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts with me and alla the Isratrance community...
Best regards
Tms
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Hi again, Ok. I got aome answers and I guess our oppinions is not as far from eachother as I thought in the first place!.
Talking about the general approach to music I can agree, that there should be a vision of something with soul and originality more than just copy sounds, buildup and styles from the established artists (wich I guess is the childish approach you are mentioning ??)....
Anyway if you dont find any special things around the releases today, that is fair enough cause again, this is taste...
BUT I think what in general anoys me a lot!, when having these crap-music-copy-artist-discussions - and there has been a few in times!...- IS that in general people make it sound so easy to make your own style of floobombing, crystal production trax - and talk about it almost as a crime for people to make music that they dont like!!, I mean come on...no one is making music to bother others....
To tell the truth I sometimes get sick of reading album-rewievs at this forum...why ???..Becuase with all due respect, in my oppinion the rewievers and some people in the foorum often act like a judging paytrance-god, whos job is to pinpoint all "errors" on the trax - make the CD an "Examination" for the artist, and sound almost insultet in their comments if a track or album does not fall in their taste...
And I´m not talking about just hyping everything they rewiev to 5 stars, but to have a general possitive approach to the music/artists...OK crap is crap! and this is subjective, - but I saw several times now that high quality, wicked releases, at the best case gets an "OK"....this is sad - and does not support the evolution people want with exciting new stylish music...
/Saimon
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 13:04
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Dear Saimon,
Indeed our opinions are not far from each other!
And I can assure you that I completely agree with your previous post when you say to have a general positive approach to the music/artists....and believe me that I do! Last years I ve switched to othe kinds of electronic music, but i still enjoy the "psy" scene!
And I repeat, a positive attitude is always a great approach to everything!
So, you as an artist (also all the artists of this scene), try to give us some of the finest releases and be sure, you will have a payback....because this scene is always related with passion and love....if you know what i mean
Best regards and wishes for a nice and creative day
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 13:18
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What is lacking here in the debate is the fact that not all people can be painters simply because they lack the talent. What this scene has produced is a scene where way too many people want to be "musicians" no matter if they got a talent, have the basic knowledge about music production and arrangement or even the basics about elementary tones and harmonies. The result is a scene flooded with people that in my opinion lack the nessesary talent to be released on CD or vinly. But they still get released. Again I blame the labels for not having any sense of quality and professionalism. |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 13:54
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I think HandA said it right! I blame artists for creating bad music and crowd for listening to it. To words of HandA.
P.s. it is not a try to make a friend i do really think like that. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 20:18
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I fucking blame the listeners for listening to the music they do not like and going to the parties they dislike. They have it the easiest of all. Easiest than the artists who might work from a week to a month+ in tracks. Easiest than labels who might spend $5500 + on a release. Easier that distribution Companies... who invest money and time in getting the CDS to the retailers. Easier than the retailers who buy stock everyweek and put $100s in their job.
The listeners just have to pay a few bucks, demand and whine. If you are so fucking discontent, go and build it yourself. DOn't put down others who love what they do. If you are building your own happiness, shut that pie hole and let everyone do what they love most.
Since we all have diferent perspectives. Different perceptions, different experiences, different state of minds, different bodies and sensory mechanisms.
I blame it on the fucking wankers. The ones who slowly erode inspiration and put the rest down for a simple dissagreement in taste. The ones who want everything on a silver platter cut in small pieces and spoon fed for their greater enyoiment and self gratification.... Please fuck off.
Paco de Lucia learned to play guitar by himself. Thank God he did not have some unapriciative wankers telling him to stop playing because he was not professional enough. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 23:12
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On 2005-08-24 20:18, offthenutboom wrote:
Paco de Lucia learned to play guitar by himself. Thank God he did not have some unapriciative wankers telling him to stop playing because he was not professional enough.
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Well he is talented, that's it..  Some never will even after years of practise..
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On 2005-08-24 20:18, offthenutboom wrote:
I fucking blame the listeners for listening to the music they do not like and going to the parties they dislike. |
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Hmm this is something I expressed here already, and let's repeat as it's less or more related the the thread : the listeners tend to be satisfied with too few nowadays, and that's why some releases do actually sell, while if they had been released maybe some years ago (or later), in a different context they would have been ignored.. (and vice-versa for release that *should* -subjective statement hehe- sell)..
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 01:38
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Well he is talented, that's it.. Some never will even after years of practise..
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Well, we will never know if we keep on bringing the artists down. And also who are we to define who are talented or not. Why don't we let ppl do their thing and life itself will tell them. IMHO if you are not talented your music will not sell. Eventually your music will not be sign and you will discover something else you are more talented @. But, I do believe in encouraging ppl to pursue their dreams and put effort and hard work to what they believe. It might not be my cup of tea and I will not support it... but I will also will not  and  my words out to this ppl.
Like I said previously, the scene is not dying because of the ppl who construct it, but by the ones who destroy it. Period. If anyone can do better and make a change... do it!!! But don't bring down the ones who who are doing it already. Period.
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Hmm this is something I expressed here already, and let's repeat as it's less or more related the the thread : the listeners tend to be satisfied with too few nowadays, and that's why some releases do actually sell, while if they had been released maybe some years ago (or later), in a different context they would have been ignored.. (and vice-versa for release that *should* -subjective statement hehe- sell)..
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It is apathy. Some Ppl expect everybody else to do the work for them. They scream and cry their discontent, they blah blah  about what it was and about what it is... but do no carry through with their words and beliefs. They remain in the background lurking in the shadows of their own impotence sending their waves of regret, to splatter the others who do what they can possibly do to make it all better.
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Saimon/Genetic Spin
Genetic Spin
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 10:28
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On 2005-08-24 20:18, offthenutboom wrote:
I fucking blame the listeners for listening to the music they do not like and going to the parties they dislike. They have it the easiest of all. Easiest than the artists who might work from a week to a month+ in tracks. Easiest than labels who might spend $5500 + on a release. Easier that distribution Companies... who invest money and time in getting the CDS to the retailers. Easier than the retailers who buy stock everyweek and put $100s in their job.
The listeners just have to pay a few bucks, demand and whine. If you are so fucking discontent, go and build it yourself. DOn't put down others who love what they do. If you are building your own happiness, shut that pie hole and let everyone do what they love most.
Since we all have diferent perspectives. Different perceptions, different experiences, different state of minds, different bodies and sensory mechanisms.
I blame it on the fucking wankers. The ones who slowly erode inspiration and put the rest down for a simple dissagreement in taste. The ones who want everything on a silver platter cut in small pieces and spoon fed for their greater enyoiment and self gratification.... Please fuck off.
Paco de Lucia learned to play guitar by himself. Thank God he did not have some unapriciative wankers telling him to stop playing because he was not professional enough.
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 10:52
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On 2005-08-24 20:18, offthenutboom wrote:
I fucking blame the listeners for listening to the music they do not like and going to the parties they dislike. They have it the easiest of all. Easiest than the artists who might work from a week to a month+ in tracks. Easiest than labels who might spend $5500 + on a release. Easier that distribution Companies... who invest money and time in getting the CDS to the retailers. Easier than the retailers who buy stock everyweek and put $100s in their job.
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Dear offthenutboom,
I have the feeling that you are missing the point...Of course i do understand your point of view regarding the listeners/consumers, but this is not a reality in the real world!
In today's society consumers have more needs, demands and expectations! The same is happening in the music industry as well!
Now, let me give you a short example....
Let's say. there is the XYZ consumer electronics brand. For the last 15 years you are purchasing products mainly from that brand and the quality was always Great! But the last years, you have noticed a difference on the quality of their products....What are you going to do? You will propably switch to another Brand, isn't it? Ok. If everybody will switch to another Brand, then this XYZ Brand will propably loose market share and might bankrupt.....
Now change the name of XYZ Brand to the name "Trance", "Psy", "Goa", "Full-on", "Dark".....whatever you like more.....
and please tell me what you think about....
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Tms |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 11:31
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On 2005-08-25 01:38, offthenutboom wrote:
Like I said previously, the scene is not dying because of the ppl who construct it, but by the ones who destroy it. |
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The main problem is, that the "artists" who tend to make (in my opinion) 'crappy' music are very often the ones that use to show off the more.. Get my point ? That's why I wrote, earlier in this thread, these lines :
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On 2005-08-08 19:18, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Of course it is frustrating to see an artists you don't like being flattered by thousands of people while he's shaking his hips with the elegance of a mammoth behind the decks.. |
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And I've underlined the necessity of 'forgetting about it' and go for a walk to another floor if there is one or the chill out instead of ruminate over one's hate..
But (this is now where I wanted to come) : there are some super talented musicians that remained humble and therefore don't open their mouth constantly arguing that their music sound so fat or killer or whatever.. But unfortunately because they don't 'show off' the spotlights are not aimed at them..
The people like what shines.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 17:56
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On 2005-08-25 10:52, Dot Kite wrote:
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On 2005-08-24 20:18, offthenutboom wrote:
I fucking blame the listeners for listening to the music they do not like and going to the parties they dislike. They have it the easiest of all. Easiest than the artists who might work from a week to a month+ in tracks. Easiest than labels who might spend $5500 + on a release. Easier that distribution Companies... who invest money and time in getting the CDS to the retailers. Easier than the retailers who buy stock everyweek and put $100s in their job.
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Dear offthenutboom,
I have the feeling that you are missing the point...Of course i do understand your point of view regarding the listeners/consumers, but this is not a reality in the real world!
In today's society consumers have more needs, demands and expectations! The same is happening in the music industry as well!
Now, let me give you a short example....
Let's say. there is the XYZ consumer electronics brand. For the last 15 years you are purchasing products mainly from that brand and the quality was always Great! But the last years, you have noticed a difference on the quality of their products....What are you going to do? You will propably switch to another Brand, isn't it? Ok. If everybody will switch to another Brand, then this XYZ Brand will propably loose market share and might bankrupt.....
Now change the name of XYZ Brand to the name "Trance", "Psy", "Goa", "Full-on", "Dark".....whatever you like more.....
and please tell me what you think about....
regards
Tms
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If I have the capital and I understand the scene... I would just release and look for the talent I love. I would put my money, time and work on what I belive is a better product inline with my beliefs. Developing a label is not as easy as releasing one compilation, but it is a long term commitment to develop an idea.
Also, IMHO I have not seen a decay in the music. On the contrary, I am very excited about upcoming releases.
But to answer your Q. If I see the music I love is dissapearing or dissatisfying, but I know there is talent out there whom I believe in... There is an opportunity to make a change. So instead of blabing, which wastes everyones time, I would start a label with the talent I love. |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 18:30
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On 2005-08-25 11:31, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-08-25 01:38, offthenutboom wrote:
Like I said previously, the scene is not dying because of the ppl who construct it, but by the ones who destroy it. |
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The main problem is, that the "artists" who tend to make (in my opinion) 'crappy' music are very often the ones that use to show off the more.. Get my point ? That's why I wrote, earlier in this thread, these lines :
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On 2005-08-08 19:18, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Of course it is frustrating to see an artists you don't like being flattered by thousands of people while he's shaking his hips with the elegance of a mammoth behind the decks.. |
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And I've underlined the necessity of 'forgetting about it' and go for a walk to another floor if there is one or the chill out instead of ruminate over one's hate..
But (this is now where I wanted to come) : there are some super talented musicians that remained humble and therefore don't open their mouth constantly arguing that their music sound so fat or killer or whatever.. But unfortunately because they don't 'show off' the spotlights are not aimed at them..
The people like what shines.
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It sounds to me like an envious statement. I mean this ppl have worked hard too. If that is what they get there is a reason for it. Your choice is, do you support this or not. But, instead of saying they are not talented, let it go, free yourself from this knot in your heart and direct that energy to building and supporting what you believe in. So I understand you clearly, and the point is clear. I have seen with my own eyes how hard a Shakira, Ricky martin or Jennifer Lopez work to get what they have. It is not an easy job. Would I go to their concerts? No. Would I buy their music? No. Do I look @ their interviews or any promotional material? No. And I used to work for the label. Maybe that is one of the reasons why i changed jobs... I just did not belive in it.
Yes, those without a vision tend to be attracted to the fools gold. But it looks like it is not your problem and neither is mine... and I am not Moses |
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 18:54
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On 2005-08-25 17:56, offthenutboom wrote:
But to answer your Q. If I see the music I love is dissapearing or dissatisfying, but I know there is talent out there whom I believe in... There is an opportunity to make a change. So instead of blabing, which wastes everyones time, I would start a label with the talent I love.
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Dear offthenutboom,
Sometimes blaming can be useful...
Criticism itself is not a negative statement. Criticism is the practice of analyzing, classifying, interpreting, or evaluating literary or other artistic works.
Now, regarding the opening a label instead of blaming , well, first of all I have already other businesses to manage, and secondly, I don't think that I would find enough good music within this scene, to release. (But this is just my personal point of view, wich does not count for the whole)
regards
Tms
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 19:16
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On 2005-08-25 18:30, offthenutboom wrote:
It sounds to me like an envious statement. |
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Oh, I'm fine thanks..
Envious, no, I wouldn't understand why as I don't make any music.. But frustrated yes, for sure ! In my opinion some people are at the wrong position, that's it.. Some are underrated while they should be the opposite while some are booked for thousands of dollars while they should go back and try to find a style that is their own..
Frustration yes, nothing more !
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