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CRAP "PSY" MUSIC !

sam i am
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 08:51
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On 2005-08-11 08:42, HandA wrote:
I am not pointing fingers at you Sam. I dont really know much about you and your label. I was just debating over your comment and the label situation in our scene.


hehehe.. don't worry, I didn't think for a moment you were, as the last thing we will release is generic psytrance!!!

definitely labels need to exercise some quality control, but running a label is also a good way to get more unr killah! It's not only the artists who wanna "rock the party"           new Hadal Drop album on the way

if you don't have the last one get in touch
Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 10:10
Well, many of you stated on this thread that the main problem of low quality production are not the artists but the labels. Partly is true. But from the other side, I ask: Who is creating the music? The artists? or the labels? For sure some labels may give some directions to their artists, but for sure they are not the composers!

Unfortunately (or fortunately, it depends the point of view) the market of the music industry is quite simple. Labels will release the AVAILABLE music! If the quality coming out from the home studios of the artists is LOW, then we will have low quality Albums or Compilations!

The main problem, at least as i see it, is that there are very few professional artists and label managers at the moment! As somebody mentioned over here, there is the trend of "Wanna be a star" (are we in Mtv or something?!!!!)

That's all for the moment

best regards
Tms
HandA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 10:27
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On 2005-08-11 10:10, Dot Kite wrote:
Well, many of you stated on this thread that the main problem of low quality production are not the artists but the labels. Partly is true. But from the other side, I ask: Who is creating the music? The artists? or the labels? For sure some labels may give some directions to their artists, but for sure they are not the composers!



No they are not the composers but still they decide to release the "crap". As I said i hardly blame some artist who's big dream is to stand on a stage and get worshipped. He dont know better and why should he say "no thanks" if some label jump up and down to release his amature music?

The labels are the ones to blame when they release the "crap". No one force them to release it. You simply cant blame new or even established artists for releasing their music if someone want to release it. No matter if they should know better or not. The world is not working that way. People have dreams and if someone offer you to make your dreams come through then it's very hard to say "no thanks I am not ready yet".

Labels are surposed to be professional and be professional enough to know what's "crap" and what's "quality" even though it's a fine line and also about taste.

Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 10:45
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On 2005-08-11 10:27, HandA wrote:
As I said i hardly blame some artist who's big dream is to stand on a stage and get worshipped. He dont know better and why should he say "no thanks" if some label jump up and down to release his amature music?



Dear HandA,

I totally agree on that and I respect your opinion 100%, but I still think that the change should come from the artists! (Labels want to make money! In business you don't really care for the quality if you can still sell your products)

I give you an example. I am sure you remeber this 12" "Project One". Isn't it?
At that time, back in 1994, you were young, fresh and new in the scene...isn't it? Maybe you wanted to be a "star" (I don't think so, but I use this for my example). What did you do? Did you create "Copy & paste" choones? Or you developed your own skills and then gave us a fine piece of music? (of course that was not your best release, but it is still one of my "old" favourites).

Now, let's come back to 2005! What do you see? Loads of "wanna be" artists (as you say) that they want to make their dream reality....but unfortunately in the WRONG way! They destroy the scene (with their amatuer music production)....and their own success....(once again, I would like to repeat, is my point of view and not the "TRUTH")

regards
Tms
HandA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 10:52
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On 2005-08-11 10:45, Dot Kite wrote:
Now, let's come back to 2005! What do you see? Loads of "wanna be" artists (as you say) that they want to make their dream reality....but unfortunately in the WRONG way! They destroy the scene (with their amatuer music production)....and their own success....(once again, I would like to repeat, is my point of view and not the "TRUTH")

regards
Tms



I agree with you but I still want to point out that if the many labels weren't so amaturish and did not release everything they got in the mail (or ftp) then the phenomenon as we know of as "copy & paste wannabe artist" would not be such a big issue in our scene

Simply because then people who wanted to become the next "star" would soon realise that it's not as easy as they thought to release their music '

Get the idea?

edit:

And even if it's a business to sell music it dosent mean that all music should be released just to make some cash. Since it's indeed a business one would expect the labels to conduct their business in a professional way and not as it is now. Amatures in their bedrooms.
Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 10:55
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On 2005-08-11 10:52, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-08-11 10:45, Dot Kite wrote:
Now, let's come back to 2005! What do you see? Loads of "wanna be" artists (as you say) that they want to make their dream reality....but unfortunately in the WRONG way! They destroy the scene (with their amatuer music production)....and their own success....(once again, I would like to repeat, is my point of view and not the "TRUTH")

regards
Tms



I agree with you but I still want to point out that if the many labels weren't so amaturish and did not release everything they got in the mail (or ftp) then the phenomenon as we know of as "copy & paste wannabe artist" would not be such a big issue in our scene

Simply because then people who wanted to become the next "star" would soon realise that it's not as easy as they thought to release their music '

Get the idea?



I totaly got the idea and your point!
and i AGREE !

nothing to add....

regards
Tms
HandA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 11:00
I want to add that the Quality factor have to be for all artists and not just new "wannabe" artists. If I make some music that's not good enough then labels should also turn me down instead of releasing my music because I have a established name. And that goes for all Established artists.
Deus


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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 12:46
At least we know that Handa will never release a disappointing album as many established artists have done.
And i really admire his personality cause you must be very strong to say NO to money and gigs.
          Dance For Paradise!
HandA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 12:49
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On 2005-08-11 12:46, Deus wrote:
At least we know that Handa will never release a disappointing album as many established artists have done.
And i really admire his personality cause you must be very strong to say NO to money and gigs.







Does this have anything to do with this topic? Or do you just want to get off getting personal?
Deus


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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 12:58
Kristian,i don't have the right to say some good things about you?If that's annoying for you ,ok!           Dance For Paradise!
Drunken Monk


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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 13:35
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On 2005-08-11 01:05, Willy Wonka wrote:
Why they have larger followings? Brit house still newer than psychedelic! Why?


Because is more commercial, because the mass was directed to that muzik by the media. Because coke has fill your head and house is the only thing you can listen. "Psy will 'harm' you" many ppl believe. Why? Because it expands their (our) mind. People (and mostly ppl who rule the world and have the media under control)are afraid of this "mind-expandation". so what do they do? they give you coke, house muzik and a great ass to watch while you dance. I (as ocelot said) had watched this even on close friends. Its like a phase indeed. And then either you jump into house or other style that you can listen or you continue with psy.. You talk about production but then you re refering to sounds that are weird and blah blah... So you are annoyed by the sounds that are too weird for you (and you want only the house doup ts doup ts lala Love me Fuck me) or the production? The production on every genre from psy to dnb from pop to jazz are either bad or good. And to end this post... You say that there re more good productions on house than psy. Numericaly maybe we have 5 good house track and 1 psy. But how many house tracks are produced and how many psy? I think that house are more (for the reasons i mentioned before.. bigger target-group etc.)
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 13:47
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On 2005-08-11 12:58, Deus wrote:
Kristian,i don't have the right to say some good things about you?If that's annoying for you ,ok!



Ok sorry I misunderstood you. It's hard sometimes to understand what people mean in a forum

Accept my appology.
Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 14:42
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On 2005-08-11 13:35, Drunken Monk wrote:
"Psy will 'harm' you" many ppl believe. Why? Because it expands their (our) mind. People (and mostly ppl who rule the world and have the media under control)are afraid of this "mind-expandation". so what do they do?




Dear Drunken Monk,

do you really believe that "psy" can expand your mind? Hmmm, I don't think so. Every kind of music can bring you to a new "mind-set"! But it can bring you to a new mind set only if you really enjoy the music!

Respect to every kind of music, also if you don't like it! (somebody else does!)

best regards
Tms
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 15:14
So actually you saying most of UK House listeners are on coke? I've never seen that thing and never will, thou i saw heroin. hehehe!

HandA, you right labels are responsible for low quality music but don't we listeners and we artists are responsible too?

I think it is combination of worse producers, worse label managers and worse listeners(chemical users who can't judge a damn thing)!
NOT EVERYONE BUT MANY, so don't take my words as offence!
Drunken Monk


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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 15:26
Yeap i really believe that! And agree with you about respect. yes i respect good music (of any genre either i like it or not). Yes other genres can expand your mind on some way. But it does this in a different way. Not all musics have the same effects in brain. And ofcouse before all that you must to like what you hear in order to this can happen. My explanation of what you like is what your brain can accept and handle. And at the present time i believe that psy is the music that 'plays' most with your brain than the other genres. Its a fact due to all those psycho-acoustic/active sounds. But all that is my personal opinion and how i 'see' things about music.
-respect-
(and sorry if my english some times are bad...)           +-+talking with ali3ns around the universe+-+
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