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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 21:39
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On 2005-08-09 21:13, Willy Wonka wrote:
I don't know maybe i'm the freak who see different or can't explain himself because i see you all making fun of me here by pretending you don't have a clue what i'm about.
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just because you're recommending some of the most commercial and musically uninteresting, mostly old and played-out progressive house artists as what psytrance 'could' be if only it were good, doesn't mean you shouldn't feel welcome here. after all, we only listen to psytrance because we're ignorant teenagers who don't know any better.
/off to listen to Northern Exposure now. ahh, how I pine for Digweed..
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 21:42
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On 2005-08-09 21:39, DiMiTry wrote:
/off to listen to Northern Exposure now. ahh, how I pine for Digweed..
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Arrrghh.
Fluke - Reeferendrum.
I'd throw away my Skazi cds for this tune.
Amazing.
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furthur
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 08:10
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There is so much good music out there. Look outside the box.
Load Universe into Cannon. Aim at Brain. Fire.
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Ov3rdos3
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 16:06
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just got, Sasha - Airdrawndagger yesterday. man what a great chill out cd. better than most psy/chill stuff i have heard lately.. |
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ocelot
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 18:59
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there is shit and there is gold in any field of human endeavor. whats your fucking point?
that old trance was 100% quality stuff?
i really think you need to revisit some crappy old releases.
the percentage of quality in anything is not usually very high. one artist may produce 5 mediocre tracks for every super ultra great one.
anyway- are you really bitching about bad music or mediocre music?
because there is an overload of both in the world you know...
and then theres the issue of whether a whole genre maybe be considered utter shit by someone...
i tend to regard most factory trance like that these days... (you know, the stuff that all sounds the fucking same down to that stupid build-up, pause, and cymbal crash/everything comes back in...)
and man- you can get a dancefloor full of people dancing to ANY stupid music somewhere on any given night. look at Chemical Crew. numbers don't make quality or N-SYNC would be the best musicians in the world.
-I would say that people who make psy-trance are generally better audio engineers than producers of other styles of electronic music- because the peices are not so rhythmically separated and you have to attend to lots of eq and dynamics to make things sit nicely in the mix-
I am a musician since birth, i can play any instrument on earth or figure out how to.
I can make any genre of music I want to and I like to make psy trance.
I've taught audio engineering on the university level at a recording school i decline to state. I have tons of other music I'd love to sell. I produce BreakBeat, IDM, CHill Out, and some other stuff i've invented that doesn't fit into little boxes like that.
Please contact me if you are interested.
the only thing more professional in the House Music or Pop Music world is the promotion and marketing.
Thank You and Good Day.
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ocelot
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 19:24
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Willy Wonka - I do not agree with you.
If numbers=quality than the New Kids On the Block are the best musicians the world has ever seen.
MY ASS!
Professional- what the hell do you mean by professional?
you say a lot of stupid things that sound like you know what you are talking about.
Listen to Top40 Radio=- listen to some of your favorite Progressive HOuse- which YES has been around since the early 90's hello!?!
and then listen to some top psytrance.
tell me what is different- production wise- that makes psytrance amateur.
Willy WOnka- you are a brainwashed commercialized moron who thinks that big names equals big production.
you probably think that a million dollar mixing console will make your mix more professional and then use the same stupid NS-10's the whole house scene uses to put TOO MUCH BASS into a mix so a mastering engineer can just SQUISH the fuck out of it with a nice LA2A compressor and then you can hear the melodies and hi hats again.
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On 2005-08-09 19:10, Willy Wonka wrote:
Yes it means Vengaboys is group which accepted by larger amount of ppl! More ppl like it means statisticaly it is better, because the first thing is personal taste of person which we can't even argue about(some do like Scandinavia Records techno when imho it is just collection of sounds, which probably more intresting as amplitude paints than music). That's what i meant by my words. I never meant to upset any Son Kite or Atmos fan, i really digged Atmos couple of years ago, when he was unique of his own. Same as with Ticon. Now they turn to be mainstream so it's not intresting for me that's why i call it not "good music". all what i say it is my personal opinion and it's easy to turn it into me as global fucking critic, when it's just my opinion which you can't take because you can't accept others if they cross your ideals!
I know it is hard to explain but most of progressive house artists i've mentioned use unique samples, their in-track mixing skills are very high (using same equipment as psytrance producers, laptops and logic with VST), their music close to wider crowd and still electronic.
Have you ever asked yourself the question whereas other listeners are dumb and you smart? Probably more listeners means more success for artist, because more listeners win to hear and like/dislike artist music!
Progressive house, is new! what you mean is progressive trance. Sasha never done house, firstly he done trance and now he does downbeat! John Digweed not always play progressive house, he is DJ who variate alot with styles, thou all of them are nice to hear. It is not strict progressive house as Jerry Bonham, Casa Flava, Madoka....!
House is not trance, different type of music. So Shasha probably closer to Son Kite than what i listen to now!
You advice me to go to Global Underground forum, no! Some progressive house artists release and reviewed on this forum so i'm here to stay! One more thing, i listen to psytrance many years so the only thing i want is to hear good music once again from genre i like! I listen to metal, techno and classical music but it doesn't mean i couldn't speak about it on Isratrance forum where you think that you are the leader and mainstream man!
Why do i say psytrance is amateur, simple! If i take mainstream of psytrance and compare it to other style i see the large gaps! Some psytrance artists are good, some can't produce music at all, some need alot of hard work. Once again it is IMHO which i base on my personal and other listeners views!
The question is do you really want psytrance to turn professional music? I think you don't, but it's slowly turns. So you fight against commercionalism the first sign of professional business but you call psytrance mature and high quality music at the same time? Doesn't seems logical to me, sorry.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 19:34
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ocelot
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 19:40
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Willy- before you edited your post you said
"you call me a moron for expressing my opinion"
no i call you a moron for perpetuating
the mentality that big promotional budgets equal quality music.
i call you a moron for using progressive house music as your example.
at least talk about fine jazz and musicianship or something...
or talk about something empirical we can evaluate and not some nebulous inferred superiority we are just supposed to grasp out of hand.
what the hell is better man?
the kicks are weedy and woofy,
the basslines are anemic and flat sounding.
whats better buddy?
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 20:04
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I just heard twice "Like I love you" by Justin Timberlake. Production-wise, this is the best piece of music i've ever heard. IMHO.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 20:59
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I don't need to use Jazz as example even, Jazz and psytrance have nothing common at all, when production skills are uncomparable! I compare new style for me which is progressive house which became popular few years ago to psytrance. I take listen to samples originality, i listen to musical composition at all, as music and judge. As i've said there are good psytrance artists but mainstream of psytrance is lower quality than progressive house mainstream. You can't call most of human being brainwashed if they think different and do like some POP. I can ask then why the fuck psytrance? there are much more underground music movements like electro, techno or dnb. Go there if you seek for underground when i seek for good music, i find it any scene i listen but for me being honest is to say what i feel, you disagree! Well, it is your opinion! It doesn't matter what person say to me i won't go to personal insults, when i speak generaly no to insult anyone and you talk personal to me and think when i speak general it means i think you all dumb. When it's not true! Proove me i'm wrong! Progressive House artists use same tools as psytrance artists but they sound more natural and some of them much more musically correct! Explain me why, and NS10 or Neve consula have nothing to do with their natural sounding or musical correctness!
Progressive House is club music so basses should be oveground of the track, when in psytrance basses sometimes even miss their region and sound like joke for any bass player (VB1 alike clones). So what the point of me to argue if i don't want to find out why ? I want, tell me why it sound better? It is not question of what i like or not it is pure fact for me. I think i'm not alone! Many do think like me but i have the balls to say you the reality, IMHO! Psytrance scene is amateur, even commercial tries of many labels/artists make me laugh my ass ! I understand ppl like you, you produce and don't give a fuck what others will say and how much you will sell. Although i see many artists (especially young ones) who try to produce somethins that will sell to have money from music rather produce music like you do. So every musician have his own personal view, you amateur because you don't give a shit about large crowd and making your music known around the world. The guys who try to do commercial music are lame because they can't even read notes or mix kick with bass. Just listen to psytrance's mainstream! Weird sounds, wierd musical scales, wierd placements, like all this fucking cow pressing different buttons to see what will be an effect and then decide whereas to keep it or not! It is how mainstream of psytrance sound! |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 21:37
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Willy my friend, it's a well known fact among DJs (I know a lot of varied genre DJs, btw) that psytrance is hard to mix with other genres because its production quality is MUGH HIGHER than any other genre and it makes anything else sound like crap. talking Breaks, Techno, House, Dnb, whatever. And that's a FACT.
I am not talking about stadium Prog. House or Trance because no self-respecting DJ I know has played that crap out in years.
cheers
ps - this doesn't apply to the 'underground' psytrance as much - i am talking about the 'mainstream' psytrance from the 10 or 15 biggest labels. ..it's just another party.. |
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Madpup
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 22:15
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I dont agree with Ocelot and Dimitry Prog house bashing, but the Willy Wonka's statement that prog. house artists have better production than psy trance, just defies belief. SO much of generic progressive house is not really that well made, whilst psy trance is a genre where levels of production quality are generally pretty high. I think you can ask anyone who produces dance music and they will agree.
Willy Wonka...got any tunes of your own for us to listen to? |
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Acidhive
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 22:39
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I hate all these people thinking psytrance is going downhill. So what there are some bad acts? Bad albums are being released in every musical genre. And may I remind you that taste is a factor here as well? Many people may like what you dislike and vice versa. I think psytrance has taken a turn for the better compared to old times. We have more styles, more artists, and more quality music than we used to have. And of course there is also a lot of crap released. But hey, that's what online shops are for aren't they? Since I've been checking samples everywhere I can before buying my cd's I haven't bought ANY disappointing releases. 
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum] |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 23:28
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Willy Wonka...got any tunes of your own for us to listen to?
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Do you have any tunes you made for me to listen to? Pretty dumb ah?
I speak as listener who listen to that music for many years, it doesn't mean i'm any better or worser than others, just i'm experienced enough to judge for myself!
I say something and you take it personal to me. Madpup, i see you and others getting really angry when i explain my opinion about psytrance's mainstream. When clearly you think the right advertisment is the only thing making progressive house more popular that psytrance, then we have nothing to argue about. |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 23:58
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for as long as sex, alcohol, and cocaine are more popular for clubs than mind expansion, lsd and mescaline, house will always be more popular than psytrance, even if Justin Timberlake starts mastering it.
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