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ocelot
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 00:45
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I guess i'm mostly just ticked off and sounding off and trying to drill a little hole in the side of Willy Wonkas thick head. its not a chauvinism thing vis a vis Trance or House so much
Its like this.
Willy- all of these other electronic music genres are older than psychedelic trance music in some sense.
all of these other genres have bigger followings than psytrance. maybe you live in a place where psy hit first. The rest of us had to find it after sorting through tons of crap electronic music.
You are not the first person to become jaded with psytrance. its a phase people go through. i've heard it all before- when people go "house" from psy- they've LOST the plot. sorry:)
TOO MUCH COKE BUDDY. have you even tried lsd?
anyway:)
the original point of this thread was the overall low quality of recent psychedelic trance vis a vis the old goa trance.
I think there is more music in general now.
dig deeper. there were bad releases then and there are good ones now just like there were good ones then and bad ones now.
Thanks
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 01:05
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Let's assume trance and house came to this world same time, early 90'. According to http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html, all artists i menationed are under Brit House sub genre which is 2000 year music. So what's now ? Satoshi Tomiie, Chab, Flash (sami) and Heller are same group artist. So then what i called progressive house called brit house and it's new, because what you mean by progressive house is way different from what i hear. Sorry for mistake.
Why they have larger followings? Brit house still newer than psychedelic! Why? |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 01:30
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prog house was huge here between '99-02 or so.. right as 'regular' fluff trance died off. finally everybody got fed up and bored, and it slowly disappeared. satoshi tomie still comes around, but that's about it..
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 01:44
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Doesn't Satoshi Tomiie's NuBreed CD sounds better than most of psy CDs ? |
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Madpup
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 01:46
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On 2005-08-10 23:28, Willy Wonka wrote:
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Willy Wonka...got any tunes of your own for us to listen to?
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Do you have any tunes you made for me to listen to? Pretty dumb ah?
I speak as listener who listen to that music for many years, it doesn't mean i'm any better or worser than others, just i'm experienced enough to judge for myself!
I say something and you take it personal to me. Madpup, i see you and others getting really angry when i explain my opinion about psytrance's mainstream. When clearly you think the right advertisment is the only thing making progressive house more popular that psytrance, then we have nothing to argue about.
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Its the way you state your opinions. You come across as being full of yourself and pass your opinion as fact. Not just in this thread, in pretty much every thread you post. Add to that a statement that all psytrance artists are amateurs. COnsidering how many of them are on this board, can you see why people may get offended?? |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 01:54
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That's how it sounds to me, most of psytrance artists are amateur musicians! NOW |
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Rah
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 03:06
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On 2005-08-11 01:54, Willy Wonka wrote:
That's how it sounds to me, most of psytrance artists are amateur musicians! NOW
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notice how every conversation in this place with you turns into a full fledge debate.
Your words sound condescending, because you keep saying it sounds amateurish and you have mentioned in the past you do produce music, but for 'fun' and not for profit... right? the point being you actually have to be somewhat good for people to listen to your music or god forbid actually buy it... now let's take full on for example (oh yes how much everyone hates it)... let's take two good examples... Pixel and Sub6... do they sound amateurish? is it copy paste? is it sub par? Do you honestly think you can do any better? or how about naked tourist? just throw another type of psy there? so?
my guess is you can't (really, it's ok to admit it) the point that is being said here is simple... if you can't do any better then don't come here criticising artist to do more because you can't... it makes you sound like you are really full of yourself 
true some up-and coming artists might not be there yet, but idea is try to encourage them (constructively) or simply not hear/buy their music... simple no?
There are a lot of producers in psy like in electronic music because the means of production have diversified to such extend is not very hard to get your computer running with a nord lead or something to make a half-interesting song... that is why this is a global medium (which in my opinion kicks ass) the downside is many 'artists' will not be as good as the others, but is just simply a matter of fishing stuff for your taste like in every other genre.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 03:38
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So basically your words meant to say we can't discuss, critisize or review an art without being an artists with better "rating". Smart idea! If the output is negative in your opinion.
Yes i turn my posts into some material to debate about, so we can discuss things that keep intresting me, you can join it or avoid since you join please try no to swear or release an anger on me (not your case Rah). I just ask simple questions that's it, i ask due to i'm in place where ppl disrespect nowadays psytrance (not all of it) so here is from i get these silly ideas.
According to artists you mentioned, objective view of mine says Sub6 are not amateurs at all, as i said not every psy trance artist is amateur! You got it right, finnishing out ! fishining out of what? Amateur music, these "kids" with nordleads! So there is no genre in the world which release so amateur music like done in psytrance. That's the point! I can't blame only albels for that, i blame all even myself for being selfish and doing other things in life instead of music making for psy i loved many years ago! |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 03:45
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On 2005-08-11 01:44, Willy Wonka wrote:
Doesn't Satoshi Tomiie's NuBreed CD sounds better than most of psy CDs ?
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it may be better sounding than a lot of psy, yes - but a lot of psy is total crap. I never contested that assertion. I usually go through 100 tracks to find 10 I can buy and play. but those are excellent, much better than anything progressive house ever produced. 
Anyway, as I said before, that happens with every genre from time to time. Right now everyone wants to make psytrance. Give it a year or two, and it'll cool down as people realize that releasing one album on some hole in the wall label isn't enough to become a globetrotting performer.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 03:56
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Ok now you begin to understand what i say, you go thru many track to fish your good ones. In UK House or whatever it called you don't need to since scene is new and most of labels release only quality material. It's not because onces who create house are more gifted, just label choose best music when artists are ex musicians or djs, LIKE PSYtrance WAS IN 90'. |
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sam i am
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 04:24
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I think there's good stuff out there. I agree with the statement that now this music is becoming more popular there are more mediocre artists out there who wanna "rock the party". But quality music is always being made, in all genres, it just takes some sifting. Keep your eyes open for Hired Goonz - top quality, non-generic dancefloor inspiring morning melodic funkadelica from down under 
Ocelot, I tried to send you a PM about your music (not the trance, the other stuff). Could you PM me if you're interested in sending out a demo? Cheers.
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Ok Talpa is good production and music, musically wise it sound like amateur crap |
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I'm sorry but I must disagree with this statement. I think you're mistaking musicality with production standards, as many of Talpa's tracks are sensationally musical, especially when compared to the repetitiveness of most progressive house.
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Rah
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 04:25
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On 2005-08-11 03:38, Willy Wonka wrote:
So basically your words meant to say we can't discuss, critisize or review an art without being an artists with better "rating". Smart idea! If the output is negative in your opinion.
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nope thats not what said... i'd be pretty dumb if i had implied that, seeing as how i review a couple of things here and there. Point being i do see where you are coming from. yet, I wanted to place it in context, how saying 'most psy is crap and it should be better' is no way to encourage anyone. And when you do make statements like that then it is my opinion should be able to do better than them.
I don't skateboard but my example would be having two kids watching another skateboarder who has more recognition and them saying 'yeah he is crap... is no tony hawk" well... if you say such stament what most people would think, is "alright, let's see what YOU can do then" but i don't know, guess thats just how i see things.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 04:55
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Once again you miss it, i don't speak about Tony Hawk but about skateboarding sub genre. I see it's main part and compare it to other genres. So then i can decide if it's good enough or not!
When i see sports i clearly know i can't do better and i know how hard it is.
When i see Rembrant or even local painter i understand that i'm not even close with my skills.
As person who does music i know it is not that hard to do, i just want to be better! BUT asking me to show my own music as proof to you that i speak truth is pretty bad. I can'n cut short demo of my track and give to some of you, but what next? You will quote the things you want from my words. I was talking about mainstream and said it is amateur, when some throw Sub6 (one of most known artists, known because of good music) into same garbage bin. |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 07:42
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On 2005-08-11 03:56, Willy Wonka wrote:
In UK House or whatever it called you don't need to since scene is new and most of labels release only quality material.
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UK House to Progressive house is what psytrance is to Goa - just another name for a slightly different offshoot. the music's not any better - just because YOU like it, doesn't mean it's any good. Personally, I can't listen to more than 5 minutes of it without getting bored.
eh.. this is going nowhere.
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 11, 2005 08:42
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On 2005-08-11 04:24, sam i am wrote:
I agree with the statement that now this music is becoming more popular there are more mediocre artists out there who wanna "rock the party".
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I agree but I really dont blame the "artists". If nobody tell them that they got no talent and should stay in school or not quite the dayjob then how are they ever going to be realistic and stop living in a pipe-dream? They are like everybody else. They see someone standing on stage getting worshipped (sadly our scene has been "star-struck" like the pop business) by countles groupies and they want it too. It's Human nature. So they go home and start to make some music and what happens is that once they got a track ready a few days later some bozo label actually release it instead of telling them to pratice some more or forget it.
To me we can blame the many almost daily upstarting labels and even etsablished labels in this scene who release whatever they can get their hands on without ever stopping up and asking the questions:
"is this music quality and do I at all know what it wil say to run a label?"
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"Do I have the nessesary finacial backing to promote my artists and even pay them"
And when countles "bedroom" labels continue to release quantity over quality and countless not so talented "artist" get to play all over the world then how will anyone ever be able to educate people on the dancefloor? If the music in this scene has to rise above mediocre then it has to start with the labels and the way they spit out mediocre music every day. As I said Quantity over Quality is not at all the solution.
I am not pointing fingers at you Sam. I dont really know much about you and your label. I was just debating over your comment and the label situation in our scene.
There's a ironic comment being used a lot in our scene:
"Everebody wanna be a DJ"
It could also be:
"Everybody wanna be a "Star""
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