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CRAP "PSY" MUSIC !
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Triplex
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 10:02
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On 2005-08-08 15:27, Dot Kite wrote:
I would invite everybody who edit/compose/programm music to STOP for a momment and THINK the consequences of THEIR CRAPPY music.....and try to envision some high quality music....
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Hey guys! Let's stop doing anything! Don Kite is right! :)
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 11:03
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On 2005-08-09 10:02, Triplex wrote:
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Hey guys! Let's stop doing anything! Don Kite is right! 
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How naive somebody can be......
Dear Triplex....as u can clearly read in my post I say " STOP for a momment and THINK" ....and then I go on...." try to envision some high quality music...."
This is self explaining...so I don't need to add something more....
Moreover, I would really love to see some more artists like you (Triplex)...that from really LOW quality music (I am sure you know what I mean) start to compose some fine and quality tracks...
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 11:07
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On 2005-08-08 20:43, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-08-08 20:23, Kitnam wrote:
so from what should innovation come? from what?
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Innovation, and it's not the first time I express it, should be exacted by the audience..
Why should any artist believe in what he can read about him (like he's making crap) when the week-end before hundreds of people were throwing up their hands during his laptop-push-play-button live-act ?
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CREATIVITY is :
the production of novel and useful ideas in any domain. PERIOD !
INNOVATION is:
the successful implementation of creative ideas within a context. PERIOD !
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Triplex
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 12:02
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Dear Don Kite
I am extremely happy and satisfied with myself now that you accept my existance even if I come from really L-O-W quality music. From now on you are entitled as member #1 of my fun club!
After so many years of trying I finally have a person to give me the emotional strength to keep it up and continue producing tracks so HIGH-intelligent and spirited people like you can consume!
keep it up
p.s thank you for giving us the definitions of the words creativity and innovation! How kind of you.
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 12:22
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Well, Triplex,
I would prefer you to be direct and not sarcastic, and yes, if you have to add something regarding this topic, is well accepted!
From the other side, if you just want to "be cool" and commenting in a sarcastic way, is well accepted as well (this is the purpose of the forum, be able to express your self in the way you want), but I will not bother answering to you anymore....
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mono mono
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 15:46
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lot's of crap music?
unless you strap yourself into your chair and FORCE YOURSELF to listen to ALL THE BAD MUSIC, you're going to need to learn better ways of sifting thru the releases (friend's recommendation, audition clips, experience,...).
At a party you are essentially "strapped-in to the chair" 'cause there's a soundsystem, and a dancefloor, you have take it or leave it. In that case BLAME(BURN) THE DJ for having such bad taste in music.
-dz
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Lithium
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 16:21
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i just think that a matter of taste should not be imposed to anyone. in todays diversity of culture and tastes definitions of what good music is, are barely personal and just that. it is actually impossible to please everyone and i think that someone who has released a track released it because someone apreciated the work, even if it´s only the label manager.
if you check the first releases of todays established artists you´ll notice a big diference in terms of music quality, everyone has to start from the beggining, and in the beggining the musical knowledge is reduced to what it is. in my opinion it is wrong to classify new artist as bad music. |
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Madpup
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 17:07
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On 2005-08-08 18:49, Willy Wonka wrote:
I've explained four times why is that! Simply all psytrance scene is amatuer musicians and labels scene. The ones who can produce real music, are not part of this scene anymore or/and on different level of production.
What you can do about?:
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Move on, since you can't change a thing. Give a try to other styles!
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Try to find good music within the scene, which is totaly possible to get
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Start this useless and endless posts chain!
Now the question for you Don Kite, do you really think something will change if you will join those who ask this dumb question all the time? Fucking sake there are dozens of gret music out there, you just miss it. DO small research in which i can help you and you won't find any mainstream artists!
i'm sure there are psytrance artists who are good but i'm into other music these days, so my advices are!
Progressive House (Benz and MD, Casa Flava, Digital Witchcraft, Madoka and Inkfish)
Dance/House (Deep Dish, Infusion, Basement Jaxx, Timo Maas)
These artists never do same sounding track as whole progressive house scene, i never met with exactly same tracks as i hear in psytrance.
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That has to be the most generalised sweeping statements I have ever read on this board, and this board has some pretty mighty generalised sweeping statements.
'all psytrance scene is amatuer musicians and labels scene' Does that even need a comment???
I also want to comment on your Progressive House, Dance/House recommendations. Sure there are some great artists in there, but I fail to see how their level of production/musical ability is any better than great prog. psy artists like Son Kite, Vibrasphere, Antix, Ticon, Atmos, etc etc etc (I can name many many more). And yes, there are some great artists making full-on as well, despite large amount of rubbish released.
In your posts you come across as if you are the worlds number one expert in dance music and that your opinion and tastes in music are pure fact. Time to pull your head out of your arse. Your tastes in music and the be all and end all.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 17:48
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Yes you right! My head inside my arse. You are real accepting community member, you not the first who tell me that this week. I get alot of hate private messages according to what i say. I say what i think, you say what you think! It doesn't mean you can talk in manner you do! When it goes about GMS all blame them for everything but when the talk about great Son Kite then i need to eat shit when i say my opinion.
The only thing i've said is that prog.house is new style and it means that not many artists sound the same, you used it to reach the point of our previous argue.
When the missing quote of me means, prytrance is scene for amatuer musician who leave the scene after they become real musicians (ie.Shpongle, Infected Mushroom, Juno Reactor.....).
Of course you can continue to swear me but it won't change a fact that clubs around the world use artists i mentioned music more than artists you did! This is indication for that you wrong.
Do simple test, ask any famous psytrance artist to make real music, classical or movie theme like Danny Elfman doing. If they can do it then they are musicians if not they are amateurs. |
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ganjagil
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 18:02
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Madpup
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 18:10
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You will hear the Vengaboys...'The Vengabus is coming' in more clubs than Infusion, that indicates that Vengaboys are better than Infusion. You are not going to convince anyone with those arguments.
Also how did you come come to the conclusion that progressive house is a new style? The album that many say defined the genre is Rennaissance Mix Collection by Sasha and Digweed and that was released in 1994 or there about.
Dude...you come to the Isratrance site and rubbish the whole scene. I suggest Global Underground boards or something |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 19:10
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Yes it means Vengaboys is group which accepted by larger amount of ppl! More ppl like it means statisticaly it is better, because the first thing is personal taste of person which we can't even argue about(some do like Scandinavia Records techno when imho it is just collection of sounds, which probably more intresting as amplitude paints than music). That's what i meant by my words. I never meant to upset any Son Kite or Atmos fan, i really digged Atmos couple of years ago, when he was unique of his own. Same as with Ticon. Now they turn to be mainstream so it's not intresting for me that's why i call it not "good music". all what i say it is my personal opinion and it's easy to turn it into me as global fucking critic, when it's just my opinion which you can't take because you can't accept others if they cross your ideals!
I know it is hard to explain but most of progressive house artists i've mentioned use unique samples, their in-track mixing skills are very high (using same equipment as psytrance producers, laptops and logic with VST), their music close to wider crowd and still electronic.
Have you ever asked yourself the question whereas other listeners are dumb and you smart? Probably more listeners means more success for artist, because more listeners win to hear and like/dislike artist music!
Progressive house, is new! what you mean is progressive trance. Sasha never done house, firstly he done trance and now he does downbeat! John Digweed not always play progressive house, he is DJ who variate alot with styles, thou all of them are nice to hear. It is not strict progressive house as Jerry Bonham, Casa Flava, Madoka....!
House is not trance, different type of music. So Shasha probably closer to Son Kite than what i listen to now!
You advice me to go to Global Underground forum, no! Some progressive house artists release and reviewed on this forum so i'm here to stay! One more thing, i listen to psytrance many years so the only thing i want is to hear good music once again from genre i like! I listen to metal, techno and classical music but it doesn't mean i couldn't speak about it on Isratrance forum where you think that you are the leader and mainstream man!
Why do i say psytrance is amateur, simple! If i take mainstream of psytrance and compare it to other style i see the large gaps! Some psytrance artists are good, some can't produce music at all, some need alot of hard work. Once again it is IMHO which i base on my personal and other listeners views!
The question is do you really want psytrance to turn professional music? I think you don't, but it's slowly turns. So you fight against commercionalism the first sign of professional business but you call psytrance mature and high quality music at the same time? Doesn't seems logical to me, sorry. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 20:36
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We're going to Ibiza tararam pam pam param pam.
Should we wait for Progressive Jungle now?
LOL. Ok. Funny guys here. Should we expect a visit from Dr. Mez?
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 21:13
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Pavel i compare to music i know, i'm sure if i was more updated in psytrance i could find good artists even now. The all i know for last two year Misted Mupped kept high level production and music skills in-one-album. Others not sure! SOn Kite kept high production standarts, this is not argueable even, thou they music is remind me of fullon, not because it is dancable, quick and meldoci but because of wierd samples choise. I don't know if you produce music or not but in my opinion to produce natural (live instruments alike) sounds much harder than some simple synthesizer preset. So as to create understandable melodies not just some chord progression, so it just be right musically but not good to hear! I don't know maybe i'm the freak who see different or can't explain himself because i see you all making fun of me here by pretending you don't have a clue what i'm about. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 21:21
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You are not a freak, you are a human being that has his own opinion. Your problem is that you are forcing it on everybody else. You are wrong, and so is everybody who disagrees with me or with my musical tastes.
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