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COPYING KILLS OUR MUSIC
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BIM
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 12:18
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Dere friends we start in our Forun (www.forum.medium-records.de)
a discussion about our Śtuation.
The Story is that since the last year the Sales of all Label are around 50% down.
A lot of smal Label will die this yeare like MDMA this is for sure a effect of the Copying of our Music.We know that our Music is born under the Dat swapping in our world but
now in the Time of burner and Net downloads
our Music is neare to die.Nobody knows how the Story ends but for sure it dont looks so good:
Medium and Spirit zone and a lot of other Label will start in the next Time a Action againsi copying about when it dont stops
it looks like that in the next Years no Label will survive.So is there any idea what we can do against it about when there is no more Music on the Market our Partyculture will die also and this Culture is unique in this World and will be never happent again.
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 12:33
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I guess there cant be any solution to avoid illegal copying.
The problem is that people dont have much money any more.For example here in Greece since the appearence of the EURO all the prices have gone up but all the salaries have remained in the same levels,its not easy for someone who gets 600 euros per month to buy cd's that cost 20 euros each,and even if he buys one cd can he spent the whole month with it?Lets say that you buy one cd per week that will give you a total of 80-100 euros per month which is the 1/6 of your salary,thats not possible i guess.And i am preety sure that in other countries like Bulgaria,Russia,Portugal and Israel things are much more difficult for the people there.
Medium suggested selling their cd's for 10euros through a web site,thats a good start for having more sales though profit will be more difficult to achieve but if someone really likes an artist then i guess he is going to spend 10 euros for him 
Download programs do a big damage to labels and artists,the cheap price of a cd writer does even a bigger damage.
Sorry but there is no solution yet against piracy,even huge labels like Universal and Sony just cant find a solution and loose millions of dollars each year from piracy.
Sad to see that labels close down,maybe we should all make an effort and just support our favorite artists and labels cause this seems to be the only solution.
Support the scene so the scene can support you
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Zombi
IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 12:40
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man, i spend 1/5 of my payment on music.. bah...
about coping i think its impossible to stop it but its possible release a real good cd's/vynils, to make it with a real high quality (include design and the stuff u use for a cover) and make ppl be confuse than they have a option - burn low quality sound without any design cd OR buy piece of tottaly magic plastic that fill your life with so much joy...
well, plastic make us happy ??
[ This Message was edited by: Zombi Cocktail on 2002-08-20 12:44 ] Believe your soul ! |
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Munchie
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 13:47
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Bim> I think, that if you want people to buy your releases, then you have to lower the prices. Personally, I buy all my music - but i spend a fortune on it. An example:
the "Accupancture" comp' (released by your Label), is being sold in Israel for about 18$. It's obvious, that most people would prefer to download it on the net for free, then spend 18$. it's human nature... However, if this CD would cost 9-10 dollars - then allot of people would prefer to buy the CD.
The problem of the music industry in the last 20 years, is that they charge ridiculous prices... 18$ for a cd, is too much. I'm still willing to pay these prices, because i feel obligated to support the scene, but i think the prices are ridiculously high (in all the music industry, not just trance)
If an independent DJ (a dj who doesn't work for any label), wants to play professionaly, then he needs to have at least 100 cd's in his collection (that's about average). If he were to purchase all these cd's for 18$, the he would need to spend 1800$ on cd's - most starting dj's don't have this kind of money (especcialy when you take into acount other expences, like DJ Gear)...
I truely believe, that if the labels would get some common-sense, and set normal prices for their CD's (10$ is decent), then CD sales would rise dramaticlly, and piracey would be less of a hassle...
just my thoughts - and just so you know, even though the prices are to high, i (and many others) are still buying the music, and enjoying it... PEACE
[ This Message was edited by: Munchie on 2002-08-20 13:50 ] MiniMAL cabron... |
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 14:06
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there will always be ppl who will download music.
even if it will cost 5$ a cd.
for those ppl its 5$ more then they should spend.
nothing we can do about it.
that is one of the big problems of the free net.
SMILE ! and the whole world will smile right back at you ! |
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 14:44
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that's what i wanted to write about right now!!
but i saw this theard!
i download a lot of mp3's, BUT i also buy a lot of cd's, to appreciate the artists for their hard work.
sometimes i have the whole albums in MP3 i buy it.
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:03
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hod i do that also.
I have downloaded some albums like synthetic for example but i couldnt help myself from buying it
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:12
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some things on the internet should be free. Music, in my opinion, is not one of them. music is somthing people need to recognize - the amount of work invested to it, the money spent on releasing the CD, designing it, making sure every detail is correct so people will enjoy it to the very fullest. respect the artists. respect the lables. respect yourselves.
"We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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Avishay
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:17
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this is just my opinion, you dont have to agry with it, just my 10 cents.
first of all, let me make it clear: i do not download or steal music in any way, all my trance collection is on vinyl and original cd's.
now thats out of the way, let me speak up:
i think the reason the prices of music is so high, is because all the crap thats around the music, that is not music, get it? no?
let me explain:
we now have a new format to distribute our music, mp3, this format is now commonly known, and used worldwide, but instead of using this format, we let it distroy us.
how can we use it?
imagine if you will, a revolution in the music industry, no more buying a whole cd, for the two-three tracks you wanted, but buying a track, one track, for lets say 2 bucks (im just throwing numbers here), where does the money go to?
1. the artist
2. the label
THATS IT. no fancy shmancy cover design, no cd costs, no distribution company, no nothing. who gains? we do, the artists, and the listeners.
imagine a store, you go into, pick 9 tracks you like, in an mp3 formatt 320 kbps, then you choose a design for a cover (that way you open a new competitive market for cover designs also), pay a price of a cd and you have your own cd, one that is packed with tracks YOU PICKED. again the gain is ours.
once you lowered all costs to the listener, you lose less people to the hell that is music sharing.
thats it, if you dont agree, i would love to know why not, especially from the label people. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:26
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difficult to achieve that avishay.
How can you know that you like a track before buying it?
You would have to listen to it first and you couldnt just go into a record store and spend 4 hours listening to music just to buy one cd.
Thats not possible
And except that you would miss all the joy from discovering that your favorite artists just released a cd full of crap and that you spended 20 bucks for nothing.
Music is a discovery so please dont destroy that
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:29
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i hate mp3's for some reasons:
1. they are mostly in less quality then a cd (most mp3's on the net are 128-192kbps)
2. i like to buy cd's!!! i love to have original cd's and covers!! and the great music on the best quality!
but i can't live without mp3's. sometimes there is one track that i like and i won't buy a whole album for it.
just for example if you like only one track from the compilation "U.F.S 3" (let's say it's BLT - The Calling)
you wouldn't buy a cd just for cd track
besides mp3's make me buy cd's!!
not not-buying them
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Avishay
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:31
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web shops, with 2 minutes real audio segments, and also in the stores...
i just had an idea, you go into a store, and its also a bar or a caf'e, right? and you sit at your table, listening to the r.a. at the laptop computer at each table... and then you pick and buy, and while you wait, you can sit and enjoy a lovely espresso, or a nice cup of the good old Dr. jack daniels...
and hod > thats why, when you BUY mp3's they wont be with 128-192 kbps, but with 320 kbps, which is slightly better then cd.
[ This Message was edited by: Avishay on 2002-08-20 15:33 ] |
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BIM
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:51
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Thanks for a lot and fast answers and the most of you think the same like me.
1) We are trying to do the best that you can order
a cd over Medium international for a price over
8-10 us$. ok there you have to pay the shipment
but we are some special offer that you get some cds in a price 2for1 or when you make a bigger order you get free shirt or something else.
For sure you have to wait some time for the order but this we will check out.
2)the normal costumer has to spent a lot of money
for the music and sometimes it is hard to buy the stuff.
but what i can not understand is that there are thousends over thousend djs in the world and they are making every weekend a good money with this job.but when i see in the recordcase of a lot djs there is nothing in it what they buy in a shop.
when only the djs understanding the situation and start to buy the stuff in a shop i think a lot of recordlabel will have less problems.
3) right there are to much bad production on the market witch make it not easy for us.
and the situation now will clean the market about
now will only the good products survive (when)
but if this will be happent nobody knows.
at first everybody loose
4) the music on demand,this means to create your own cd over downloads is a good idea but there are some problems.
think about the gema (accum in israel) they take a lot of money from this and you have to rent here in germany a liquid audio systhem with account
every download witch is done.
there are some young good artists and they will never have a chance to come on the market about nobody knows than and so will only the old and big producer survive.
so i think we have at first only one chance
when somebody ask you if he can copy stuff from you just say: no , go and buy it yourself
about coying kills your music
when you know somebody who is giving music in the net free to download tell him that he is a idiot about this kills us for sure.
only when we start to fight against this together
we have a chance to enjoy a party with new music in the yeare 2005 |
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 15:52
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and i think also that people don't buy cd's because they don't know about them!!
the labels should do MORE advertising!!!
why i don't see in newspapers,tv,even internet ads(!) any advertising for example "the new cd of X artist!!"
have u ever heard on a cd that got released not from this forum?
the labels always complain that people don't buy the cd's, but how many people actually KNOW about the cd?
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Aug 20, 2002 16:01
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I agree almost completly with Avishay, selling Mp3 on the net for a very low price, would make people buy them. And i'm talkning real cheap 1 doller a song. Detox and hod garvial you are forgetting that not everyone is as devotet to trance as you are, many people are simply not willing to buy cd's for 16-20 dollers a pice. But if one of the labels would make huge web sites (just an idea), with only one perpose to bring music to the people (for a low amount), and of course there will be some sort of preview (of the songs), for the poteniel buyers!
To make it even simpler you could create an account at this "web site" (give your credit card nummer or something like that), and then each time you would like a song you would simply go to the web site and choose it and download it, thats it!
If someone would make such a web site they would earn a lot a money, and not only from "trance addicts" !
But also from normel people, who just want couple songs and dont want to spent "huge amount"!!!
[ This Message was edited by: The Green Channel on 2002-08-20 16:03 ]
[ This Message was edited by: The Green Channel on 2002-08-20 16:04 ] "Love is a way of life"
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