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COPYING KILLS OUR MUSIC
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Sputer
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 00:45
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On 2002-08-21 23:51, Apocalypse Now wrote:
I think that the main problem is that most people consider Trance as mostly dance music, for parties, and they aren't really intrested in hearing it at home. |
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I agree with you. There is no many ppl that listen to trance music. And some ppl from our little group are Dj's that get music from the artist/label.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 01:25
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its an interresting fact that the humans always
destroy things that they like and they need.
this is not only a music-mafia-problem.
the man which will find a solution will find
they key for everything we like to call "good"
against the "bad" in this world.
ist simply the ego-trip in our brains.. not thinking
about the consequences .. i have thought that
the psy-scene is like an island in this egoman-
world... what a big mistake!
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 02:34
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hey took some examples:
Astral Projection - Dancing Galaxy
Infected Mushroom - Classical Mushroom
Infected Mushroom - B.P Empire
all of the three albums sold more than 20,000 copies! (and dancing galaxy reached PLATINUM!!)
so it means people STILL buy cd's.
but only if it's a really really REALLY good cd.
and if it's played in a lot of clubs..
and advertised..
actually
a bit commercial?
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 14:19
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yeah so that way all less known artists will be killed and we will be left with a trance scene that includes only: Infected, Astral and GMS
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 14:23
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so maybe that's the problem?
that the artists are not well known?
take for example infected mushroom, almost everyone in israel know about them
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shahar
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 15:42
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To support Yuli's point, I'm not sure it's the price at all- I gave an option for the people I share the trance web community with to buy my compilation fo US$10 plus shipment- that's pretty chip I think, and much cheaper then what you'll pay normally- with Isratrance site, this forum and the 7 mailing lists I'm on, we're talking about at least 3000 people (and it's much more probably 'cause at isratrance we have more than 1000 entrances a day). fter a week, about 15 ppl used the offer, we lef the special sale for another month- just to see if the internet trance community buys cds- the answer, let me tell you- it does not!
Now maybe the compilation is just not good, but that's not the feedback I'm getting from DJs, labels and the regular sales. Also anyone that bought the CD sure got an extra value, as we put a lot into the cover, which is also a mini poster.
So? The web trance community does not really buy CDs- that's my conclusion.
Now ppl, we have to get it through to the mind of trancers that if they don't give back to the music that they like so much- it will deteriorate. The good artist that work proffessionaly will quit or move to making house (enough examples of that around)- same will happen to the labels (there are examples of that as well).
Wakey wakey!!!!!!!
more to follow soon......
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M.K. Gandhi
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Aug 22, 2002 18:26
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hod>
if people will buy only the top and extremely known albums no other artist could survive.
and the fact that they are not well known doesn't mean they aren't good (ex. sub6, safi connection and alot more).
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Basilisk
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Posted : Aug 23, 2002 17:22
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this is some sad news... lets hope it isnt so true, that people of the internet do not truly support this wonderful music! |
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 23, 2002 17:32
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so let's do something about it..
i think everyone should buy at least one cd in a month
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KosMos
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Posted : Aug 24, 2002 03:56
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well i want to ask something (opinions from listeners, facts from artists and labels):
let's say a compilation cd sells 1500 copies...
i don't think this is very much...
i think it's below average...
1500 x 18 = 27000 euros
now 27000 is a lot of money...
how much money does a label spend to produce a cd...
i know that they pay the artist from 150 to 600 euros (if their saying the truth..) for a track. rarely more... (am i mistaken here?)
so we have let's say
400 euros (average) x 8 tracks (average) = 3200 euros
so for a below average sale (imo bad sale) a label gets around 24000 euros..
oups! we have to pay the cd copies and the distributor and the person who made the cover and maybe some more little stuff... how much is this..? i don't exactly know BUT if the profit is more than 3000 euros the label can afford the next cd (it's much more than 3000 euros - sorry for all the math, i'll get to the point now)
i know i am exagerating (did i spell this right?). i agree in legaly buying cds and i agree that cds are a bit expensive.
BUT... i know that a lot of compilations and albums sold much much more than 1500 copies. WHY? because it's QUALITY MUSIC! ok many said that but do the labels understand this??
mr Bim (i'm sorry i don't know you name) and all of you from the labels...
don't produce 10-20-100! cds in a year!
search! seek! find the good stuff! the good stuff sells! and i don't mean commercial stuff...
if you produce ok music you'll get ok money... if you produce great music you'll get great money
if you can't get that, see what music sold many copies and think why...
if you can't or you don't want to release that kind of music then think why your music sells less...
my opinion is that downloads increased as much as did the low quality releases... i find only 1 in 30 cds full of quality music nowadays... and -what a coincidence- this started 1-2 years ago
i'm not here to critisize everybody i see that copies cds. think why some people do the right thing and the others don't.
and try thinking what Bim said... maybe all the "bad" labels WILL close down and the "good" ones will survive. maybe it was better this way...
sorry for the large thread...
in search for an answer... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 24, 2002 12:08
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Usually in personal albums artists get a percentage from the sales and dont just sell their tracks.
In compilations a track can cost from 200 to i dont know how many euros,the average price for a good track of a good group is something like 400-500 euros i guess.
The expenses my friend Cosmos are a lot for a label.Distirbution,Production of the cd and its cover and box,Taxes,Mastering and many many many more.Not to mention that you buy a cd from a record store for 20 euros but the record company sell that cd to its distributor for something like 10 euros so until this cd reaches the record store then its price has been doubled.
The best thing is to order from shops like Saikosounds and Psyshop which are very cheap cause they are not just a regular shop.
THat thing with the prices is a little messy so lets just stick with the sales 
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Aug 24, 2002 14:50
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detox you forgot that cd's dont cost 18euros everywhere, some places are way cheaper and there are so many other expences you didn't talk about. (shipment all over the world, salaries etc.)
and think of the artists, an artist can't prduce more than 2 tracks a month so he gets like a 500-1000 euros from the labels. that's so not enough imo (i know there are live events but some parts of the year are weaker).
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Yuli
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Posted : Aug 24, 2002 14:57
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Kosmos,
Lets not go into d-tails too much but your calculation didn't include TAXES... So pls b4 u calculate take the 27000 euros and cut it in half... So now you have 13.500 and u can go on from here
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KosMos
Drone
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Posted : Aug 24, 2002 17:04
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ok.. i admit that my estimation was way over the real facts...
but i still believe that it is better to release one or two great cds rather than 10 full of junk...
i choose to listen to 10 cds in the shop and i end holding only one to buy and i have second thoughts for that...
that's killing my trance...
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Aug 24, 2002 18:04
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i must admit he's right about this one
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