and of course some people dance whith those crappy fx richie throws...they could maybe dance whith the kick only cause richie hawtin plays and they are in amnesia!
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Posted: Sep 24, 2011
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and of course some people dance whith those crappy fx richie throws...they could maybe dance whith the kick only cause richie hawtin plays and they are in amnesia!
Wow. A psy trancer paying out on other EDM, orginal dude.
Ridiculous to think people in this scene might be open to anything but the same shit repeating itself. It's no wonder the psy scene hasn't progressed since about 2002 with pathetic small minded people like you involved.
I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
no man,i just don't accept every crap someone presents just cause he's a big name.seriously,i'd leave the dancefloor if someone ruined the music whith these fx cause i'm a close minded psytrancer and want some quality in my ears...btw are you and richie have some relation cause you seem so much offended dude!
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 23:45
Of course I'm offended, I've met him numerous times back when he was nobody until the last few years when he's toured (my friend runs the company that brought him out).
He's a very nice talented musician and excellent dj, and despite what you think he has a lot less ego than many of the "big name" psy trance acts that play progressive & fullon.
I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
don't know about his ego man,neither the psytrance one's or yours...what i know is that when you're not practising enough whith those tools you have you're just making a joke...that's what new tech gives,too many ways to make things happen.
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 11:41
Actually I've found my digital setup has simplified things extremely so that I can achieve great mixes with ease so that I can focus more on what the crowd wants & give them the time of there lives.
It also has allowed me to play music across the entire the EDM spectrum, getting load more paid gigs and not having to work a 9-5 job. I study at uni part time & currently earn $2500AU a week DJ'ing thurs, fri & Saturday nights for 3 hours a night. It's awesome.
I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 16:39
@ venom:
it's been a long while since i last had maths , but i'll give it a try:
you earn 10000 AUD per month
you get 800 AUD per gig
you get 280 AUD per hour
i gotta move to australia if the market goes that well !!!
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 23:54
After 18 years of playing with the biggest techno,'
harder styles, progressive & drum n bass/dubstep as well as hip hop/rap crews in clubs and raves I can charge whatever I want mate.
I rarely played at psy events in my 18 years of DJ'ing as I knew there was 0 money in it, so I stuck to the commercial sides.
Psy is my little home hobby with a small crew of friends.
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Posted : Sep 26, 2011 22:36
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you can't compare minimal/elctro music with psy-trance, it's just not trance-dance, it's not the tribal ritual where go beyond your body an become one in the divine exstasy of union with the cosmic spirit
You are telling me that these tracks are not suitable for trance-dance? Why not?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: techno is more suitable for trance dance than probably 80% of today's "trance"
In my opinion the biggest thing that is needed for a trance-dance type experience is a lack of sudden, jarring changes. New DJing technology makes that easier.
You can transition from track to track much more smoothly and seamlessly with automatic beatmatching, loops and reverb than you can without.
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Posted : Sep 27, 2011 07:08
Exactly, the Goa sound actually came more from the early acid house and industrial styles than any of the early trance sound, which is why I'm not surprised that over time many producers are returning the more highly experimental sounds we hear in the "dark" psy scene.
Much if the minimal techno & progressive styles are more hypnotizing and trance inducing than anything in the Goa/ psy scene. The sounds used in true trace rituals were only ever the repetitive drum rhythmns & chanting, mixed with nature.
Never all these crazy synthesizer sounds & melodies. And there are many more fx used in psy trance than in minimal & progressive techno/house.
An evening of well selected and mixed minimal techno has me in a much higher state of trance than any Goa/psy.
Goa/psy is based on the culture of creating a story and enhancing ones "trip", not at all about the hypnotizing fx of true trance thru minimal rhythmns and sounds.
It's always been a pet peeve of mine from well back that trance was used in the description of this music, as I always saw it more as experimental psychedelic EDM, even just EM as much is not for dancing but listening and tripping.
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Posted : Sep 27, 2011 19:14
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On 2011-09-23 13:54, zafer wrote:
you can't compare minimal/elctro music with psy-trance, it's just not trance-dance, it's not the tribal ritual where go beyond your body an become one in the divine exstasy of union with the cosmic spirit
You are telling me that these tracks are not suitable for trance-dance? Why not?
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this can't be a serious answer to my post:
first of all you just choosed the rare exceptional trancy productions of artists that mainly produce minimal/house/techno that in no way can be held as representative of their work
second i tried to listen to the tracks you posted but always fell asleep before it ends... are they really that psy? a german expression comes to my mind for describing such sound (if compared to psy) "totenhosen"
third you really need to make yourself a culture before posting such non-psy sound and telling it would fit in a goa party:
that's fucking psy
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Posted : Sep 27, 2011 20:16
I didn't say they would "fit in a goa party".
Second of all, jeff mills, basic channel and the field mostly produce music like that.
I'm kind of confused. You say you want to be put into a trance but then you complain that music is "boring"?
The key to being put in a trance is unchanging or very SLOWLY changing repetition. It makes you lose any sense of time passing and collapses the past and future into the present moment.
After listening to a repeating loop long enough you get the sense that you have always been listening to this loop and always will be listening to it. You forget what it was like NOT to be dancing.
That is a trance.
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Posted : Sep 27, 2011 20:29
In any case this entire subthread is off-topic and I won't be participating in it further.
People cling to the memories of the parties they enjoyed when they were younger, and wish that parties would stay that way forever, but the fact is nothing stays the same.
The reason why you enjoy today's parties less is not because they have changed but because YOU have changed, and you are not as enthusiastic and open as you used to be. Come to grips with that. It happens to EVERYONE. It's called getting old.
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Posted : Sep 28, 2011 01:19
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On 2011-09-25 23:54, V3NOM wrote:
After 18 years of playing with the biggest techno,'
harder styles, progressive & drum n bass/dubstep as well as hip hop/rap crews in clubs and raves I can charge whatever I want mate.
I rarely played at psy events in my 18 years of DJ'ing as I knew there was 0 money in it, so I stuck to the commercial sides.
Psy is my little home hobby with a small crew of friends.
i thought this was a psy trance forum and that you were sharing you experience djing psytrance for a goa dance-floor...
@ shiranui : the only thing that has changed is the quality of lsd25
