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Posted : Sep 15, 2011 18:27
after 10 year seein psytrance djs.... i decided to use ableton for everything..includin DJ other people tracks for one simple reason..
ITS SO BORING AND OLD the way people mix psytrance nowadays... ow and total CLOSED MIND...
choose one genre of psytrance.... then make a selection of tracks with the same flow and the same bpm range...
and in the play wait the track playin to arrive at the lasts loops sequences so u can fit the new track...
its a no no no for me...
too old... where s the evolution ?
i dont wanna hear ur track selection..i wanna hear interactive...
the digital world opened that door to interactive..
in the same set u can go from 135 bpms to 155 and then get back to 135 to go up again...
going from dark prog trance to dark to forest and gettin back to dark to then drop to a full on night etc etc etc layerin the tracks to have available 3 basslines at teh same time to choose ( the lows ) together with more 3 lead/pad lines ( the mids ) plus the hats ( the his ) sayin u use 3 channels of music... makin a constant travel of fractal tunels...
to remove the feelin and concept of sein psytrance as MUSIC tracks turning it into a WALL OF TRANCE FREQUENCIES...
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Posted : Sep 16, 2011 10:59
What he said ^^^
with the addition that I feel its good to know how to mix with hardware just in case you can't use software for whatever reason, or if Live crashes, but I haven't had that much of a problem with the new version crashing. Stuttering, yes, and once it locked up the entire OS, but compared to previous versions its quite an improvement IMO
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^^well in that point...you could make your own tunes whith live,make a live set,so that you can add basslines or percussion fx and synths...imo making all these rmx stuff in psytrance just doesn't make sense and many times ruins the mood or someone's trip...or maybe...i haven't hear someone good enough to do it properly!even well known live acts have messed their music up by messing with to many knobs!
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. I recently heard a statement of a so called DJ, which made me really sad. Quote: You know, the great thing about mixing with traktor is, that I can get wasted as hell and my mix still sounds good, because it's that fucking easy.
WTF...
lol , did the so called dj use this words?
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"why ? is that such a big problem ?? when i go play music at parties i always have fixe fertig mixes, so i can get wasted and chat with ladies, and also pay a friend of mine with dope to make mixes for me, he can do it much better, important thing that the crowd have a good time and that the music sounds good"
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"did you ever try to roll a nepali shit joint while djing? is impossible !! it takes too long and already comes the end of a track and you have to stop rolling to mix the next song... more to it: this way i don't even have to buy the music or search for tracks, come on you cannot say that it's a good procedure !!!"
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" that's why i dj on goa parties, people are usually so high that they dance because of being stoned and nobody realizes the music that's going on, and since everybody is out of their minds everything fits to the mood of the floor. only important thing is to be at least damn fucking drunk at the decks and everything goes fine"
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Still after all the time that ableton has been out I still have to listen a performance that makes the dancefloor moves like a good dj set for hours.
Must of that interaction you talk about adding effects using samples, mashups etc simply DON't work with the dancefloor.
Yes, it can be impressive, but it doesnt make people dance, it doesnt hypnotice and then it doesnt ends in TRANCE.
It makes electronic music parties much like rock concerts. EDM parties were never about the performer or his skill, but about the music and a journey through it.
All that promotional videos about products around the web showing the impressive capabilities of software, by some of the top controllerist outthere... have you noticed something about them?
There are not dancefloors in anyone of them, if there are they are just staring at the dj, not dancing.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
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Posted : Sep 21, 2011 01:56
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On 2011-09-20 20:24, Login wrote:
Still after all the time that ableton has been out I still have to listen a performance that makes the dancefloor moves like a good dj set for hours.
just because u never seen it.... doesnt mean it never happened or its impossible..
obviously its still rare to see..
we live in a conservative society where new tecnics are hard to be acepted... and lookin at teh DJS mentality.. most dont wanna take the risk to be bothered on creatin something new... coz they wanna be popular and acepted.. not inovative and creative
so its not surprising that to mix out of the standarts is just a MYTH in psytrance...and will never be acepted by most of the "old guys"...
its the process of evolution...
and every new person who started in this world of djin nowadays..should be encouraged to be creativi and not conservative for the healthy of the scene...coz we dont wanna be stuck in the same place for 15 years...( dj sets based on beatmatchin and track selection )
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Posted : Sep 21, 2011 17:47
How much time has live acts dominated the scene? At least for the last 6 years laptop live acts have been the standart at festivals.
It should be enough to present some kind of innovation that breaks the rules, but no it hasnt.
I will call innovation, I want my money back.
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On 2011-09-20 20:24, Login wrote:
Still after all the time that ableton has been out I still have to listen a performance that makes the dancefloor moves like a good dj set for hours.
Must of that interaction you talk about adding effects using samples, mashups etc simply DON't work with the dancefloor.
Yes, it can be impressive, but it doesnt make people dance, it doesnt hypnotice and then it doesnt ends in TRANCE.
It makes electronic music parties much like rock concerts. EDM parties were never about the performer or his skill, but about the music and a journey through it.
All that promotional videos about products around the web showing the impressive capabilities of software, by some of the top controllerist outthere... have you noticed something about them?
There are not dancefloors in anyone of them, if there are they are just staring at the dj, not dancing.
word ! +1
you get the point, it's not about skills and shit and turntablism (wich i find as a musical result an aberration), it's about the skills needed to get the result: trance
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 09:43
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On 2011-09-20 20:24, Login wrote:
Still after all the time that ableton has been out I still have to listen a performance that makes the dancefloor moves like a good dj set for hours.
Must of that interaction you talk about adding effects using samples, mashups etc simply DON't work with the dancefloor.
Yes, it can be impressive, but it doesnt make people dance, it doesnt hypnotice and then it doesnt ends in TRANCE.
It makes electronic music parties much like rock concerts. EDM parties were never about the performer or his skill, but about the music and a journey through it.
All that promotional videos about products around the web showing the impressive capabilities of software, by some of the top controllerist outthere... have you noticed something about them?
There are not dancefloors in anyone of them, if there are they are just staring at the dj, not dancing.
Yeah because in this clip with Richie Hawtin using Traktor with a controller it really looks like a dead dance floor huh?
Most of the EDM scene is using controllers and software now, and every festival that was not psy I went to last summer was pumping like crazy.
I've looked into this before selling my old CDJ set up for a digital one, and 99% of punters said they prefer viewing a DJ layering with Traktor etc. than standard mixing.
Most DJs I spoke to (and some of them are the biggest names in EDM) for the free press I write for said that digital DJing has very much opened their minds with regards to oth performing live and also producing.
Many also said it has revitalized their interest in the music and have been outputting some of their best tunes in the last two decades!!
They agree vinyl has it's place, but said that CDJs are definitely a thing of the past.
They all laughed when I mentioned our little psy scene, and in a very good natured way said that this scene has always lagged behind in terms of DJing technology with a lot of gigs still having only CDJ100s.
They said it's such a cute quaint scene, like visiting an antique store for memories of old times.
I have to agree, check out the gig A3K played under chillout with promoters not even providing mixers with headphone feedback or the clip someone posted of Raja Ram having to used decks covered in dust and other crap inches thick.
You cannot compare our scene with the rest of the EDM scene, simply because we do not have the quality control, the finances nor the overall professionalism to be anything comparable.
Except for the massive festivals that is.
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On 2011-09-20 20:24, Login wrote:
Still after all the time that ableton has been out I still have to listen a performance that makes the dancefloor moves like a good dj set for hours.
Must of that interaction you talk about adding effects using samples, mashups etc simply DON't work with the dancefloor.
Yes, it can be impressive, but it doesnt make people dance, it doesnt hypnotice and then it doesnt ends in TRANCE.
It makes electronic music parties much like rock concerts. EDM parties were never about the performer or his skill, but about the music and a journey through it.
All that promotional videos about products around the web showing the impressive capabilities of software, by some of the top controllerist outthere... have you noticed something about them?
There are not dancefloors in anyone of them, if there are they are just staring at the dj, not dancing.
Yeah because in this clip with Richie Hawtin using Traktor with a controller it really looks like a dead dance floor huh?
Most of the EDM scene is using controllers and software now, and every festival that was not psy I went to last summer was pumping like crazy.
I've looked into this before selling my old CDJ set up for a digital one, and 99% of punters said they prefer viewing a DJ layering with Traktor etc. than standard mixing.
Most DJs I spoke to (and some of them are the biggest names in EDM) for the free press I write for said that digital DJing has very much opened their minds with regards to oth performing live and also producing.
Many also said it has revitalized their interest in the music and have been outputting some of their best tunes in the last two decades!!
They agree vinyl has it's place, but said that CDJs are definitely a thing of the past.
They all laughed when I mentioned our little psy scene, and in a very good natured way said that this scene has always lagged behind in terms of DJing technology with a lot of gigs still having only CDJ100s.
They said it's such a cute quaint scene, like visiting an antique store for memories of old times.
I have to agree, check out the gig A3K played under chillout with promoters not even providing mixers with headphone feedback or the clip someone posted of Raja Ram having to used decks covered in dust and other crap inches thick.
You cannot compare our scene with the rest of the EDM scene, simply because we do not have the quality control, the finances nor the overall professionalism to be anything comparable.
Except for the massive festivals that is.
You nailed it... cannot agree more!
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 13:54
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On 2011-09-23 09:43, V3NOM wrote:
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On 2011-09-20 20:24, Login wrote:
Still after all the time that ableton has been out I still have to listen a performance that makes the dancefloor moves like a good dj set for hours.
Must of that interaction you talk about adding effects using samples, mashups etc simply DON't work with the dancefloor.
Yes, it can be impressive, but it doesnt make people dance, it doesnt hypnotice and then it doesnt ends in TRANCE.
It makes electronic music parties much like rock concerts. EDM parties were never about the performer or his skill, but about the music and a journey through it.
All that promotional videos about products around the web showing the impressive capabilities of software, by some of the top controllerist outthere... have you noticed something about them?
There are not dancefloors in anyone of them, if there are they are just staring at the dj, not dancing.
Yeah because in this clip with Richie Hawtin using Traktor with a controller it really looks like a dead dance floor huh?
Most of the EDM scene is using controllers and software now, and every festival that was not psy I went to last summer was pumping like crazy.
I've looked into this before selling my old CDJ set up for a digital one, and 99% of punters said they prefer viewing a DJ layering with Traktor etc. than standard mixing.
Most DJs I spoke to (and some of them are the biggest names in EDM) for the free press I write for said that digital DJing has very much opened their minds with regards to oth performing live and also producing.
Many also said it has revitalized their interest in the music and have been outputting some of their best tunes in the last two decades!!
They agree vinyl has it's place, but said that CDJs are definitely a thing of the past.
They all laughed when I mentioned our little psy scene, and in a very good natured way said that this scene has always lagged behind in terms of DJing technology with a lot of gigs still having only CDJ100s.
They said it's such a cute quaint scene, like visiting an antique store for memories of old times.
I have to agree, check out the gig A3K played under chillout with promoters not even providing mixers with headphone feedback or the clip someone posted of Raja Ram having to used decks covered in dust and other crap inches thick.
You cannot compare our scene with the rest of the EDM scene, simply because we do not have the quality control, the finances nor the overall professionalism to be anything comparable.
Except for the massive festivals that is.
You nailed it... cannot agree more!
you can't compare minimal/elctro music with psy-trance, it's just not trance-dance, it's not the tribal ritual where go beyond your body an become one in the divine exstasy of union with the cosmic spirit
beside the conceptual, psy tracks (a track is not psy just because the artist performed at ozora or boom)are way too much elaborate to use samples fx and stuff too often, a little here and there is ok, but otherwise you just end up ruining a highly elaborate psy track.
nowadays half of the line up of psy trance festivals are alien, they are there just because they are big names and call a lot of audience and make sure the festival works financially.
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 14:41
i prefer more modern technology,trance music made in computers so why use and old pantium 3 ore core i7 i don't really understand why they still use cdj 100, but if it make my ass move so i don't really care.
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 16:17
There is much more to the digital revolution than a few fx & samples mate, stop living in the dark ages and join the future.
I saw a local psy dj layering samples from over 12 different psy tracks from 1995-2010 last summer to make an entirely new remixed sound so complex and deep, all completely live.
BTW Login said that the dancefloor in EDM in general does not go off to a digital dj performance, I was merely showing him how completely incorrect his statement was.
Technology is only limited by the imagination of those that have access to it. Art, which is what I believe psy trance is, is taking something and creating something new original and unusual from it. What better way to do this by sculpting new psychedelic journeys with modern technology??
I listen to this music for the trip, not merely for the trance. If I want real trance music I'll go listen to some of the aboriginal performances of traditional music, not some geezer blasting a synth.
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Posted : Sep 23, 2011 18:25
I am not against digital djing, not for vynil or cdj'. I just don't like and havent hear or seen a performance where a dj using the newest technologies is above and beyond what traditional djing (mixing one track in to another) can offer in terms of dancefloor enjoyment.
Its like turnabilism: yes its great but it's for watching.
Now in minimal it's easier to use the new tools since music has less melodies and harmony. Layering that kind of music is easier, mixing 4 tracks at the same time, with loops and samples over it.
But I prefer "songs", songs that tell stories and feelings.
But well maybe this new technology needs time to mature and artist to take full advantage of it to offer something really new that isn't boring.
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