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				moki		          				 
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      				Posted : Mar 18, 2011 14:45:10
      				 
      
      			
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						because of a current cause that is heavily and intensively engaging my mind since the quake in japan, i decided to open a topic about bioacoustics. my goal is basicly to learn something new that i did not know earlier , and may be find an interesting link faster than i would do it in my own investigation. ( well in case this is still possible in isratrance),  
 and further to get out of all those other topics where few trolls are posting silly pics and striving for the attention of hundreds of intelligent individuals who might be visiting isratrance. 
 
 here is some basic start about what is bioacoustics
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioacoustics
 
 another start on wikipedia is the biomusic, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomusic
 
 especially interesting for me is the ecoacoustics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecoacoustics
 which is a " cross-diciplinary science that involves ecology and acoustics. It differs from the closely related field of bioacoustics, measuring the acoustic properties of a whole environment (instead of isolating one lifeform or another) in order to better understand the complex dynamics of an ecosystem"
 
 here is the current cause that is engagin my mind:
  a scientist from the universitat politècnica de catalunya (UPC),recorded the sounds of the earthquake that hit japan. more can be found here:
 http://listentothedeep.com/
  
  
 
 my basics questions of investigation ( i am just heading to the library but i thought i would open a topic here before that) , are:
 
 - how do the  ecoacoustic  properties of a whole environment affect the life forms that live in that evironment? what is the proces of biofeedback in that eco environment.
 
 - how does bioacoustic evolution of humans and animals evolve with the time in a period of 100 or 10000 years and what are the basic variables to affect it? can artificial sound affect evolution accourding to bioaccoustics?
 
 well actually quite a few questions, i just go to the library now. a nice day and hear the planet. 
 
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      				Posted : Mar 18, 2011 19:44
      				 
      
      			
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						slowly it is really time to put an @ isratrance team @ flag on those four resident users above ( only pavel is not there yet, and a few more new and old residents who are EVERYWHERE in this community spamming and trolling without even a note) and say officially good bye to the rest of the 500 who used to be here years ago. but it is okey, because you simply make me happy with proving to me that there is almost no chance to ever have the same matrix coordinates with you ever. this feels really nice, honestly!     
 
 and it is great to have no signature in this forum. 
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      				Posted : Mar 18, 2011 20:38
      				 
      
      			
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						Moki this is a forum about psytrance not various hokus pokus cosmic energy topics and now biomusic (what does that have to do with psytrance?). I am sure there are more relevant forums for such topics. You are the one being totally off-topic. We are here because of psytrance (This is the general section). Not your many theories.
 
 You are the one spamming this forum each week with irrelevant topics  
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						Some poeple who like Psy trance have active minds. If wanting to discuss bioaucoustics is on someone's mind, who are you to tell them not to?
 
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				moki		          				 
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      				Posted : Mar 18, 2011 23:28
      				 
      
      			
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 if you don't know what do bioacoustics have to do with psy trance then you don't know what is psy trance at all. you are not interested in  bioacoustic interactions between neuro systems or betweein living systems. you are not interested to found out the EXACT relationship between life forms and their acoustic environments . there is nothing  " cosmic" in finding out the relationship between a life form and the natural environment and to research the evolution of bioacoustics with the time .
   you are not interested on neurofeedback. actually you are not interested in the basic idea of what psy trance is about - well at least a live psy trance and not psy trance with your self sufficiency alone in your studio. at the same time you propagate in the other topic that psy trance was never about sex. well what then??
 
 yeh yeah tell me you just have no brain in my presence and this will background everything about the on topic pics above. 
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 That you got right !
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						why are the supposed mods of this forum letting people get away with this rubbish
 
 there is a reason why not many people use this forum anymore. Look above, off topics and not banned? double standards here or what? not to mention that everything Moki says the same people come crashing down on her like a nuclear fallout of tosspots from Mars
 
 It's unacceptable
 
 Which is why this forum is dead if you let the same people make disparaging comments all the time
 
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						I also agree this should be moderated and people should feel free to post any kind of information regardless of who might find it interesting, valid or related enough to "the psy scene".
 
 
 Nice topic, will read more on this.
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						and yes, to carry on this conversation before my gf was so rudely inactivated
 
 Moderate this forum
 
 or delete it
 
 Most of us younger generation look at this as some sort of laugh, all you old blokes dissing each other
 
 Give it a rest boys
 
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 I'm not Steve
 
 Dude Moki was being very serious when she spent the time and effort to make that post
 
 You are a bottom feeder, and coming from someone younger than you that must suck to hear that, but it's true
 
 I just don't understand why you keep dissing her so badly
 
 It's appalling
 
 She has the flow, you don't. Get over it
 
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				Aluxe		          				 
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 are you even aware of your tone? damn, this is exactly the type of energy I don't want to see in the scene. 
 
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						Not exactly bioacustics, but a good starting point to understand sound and music from a scientific perspective:
 
 http://www.musimathics.com/
 
 
 I have just started to read it but it seems quite complete, and well since mathematics is the universal language sure there is a way to transpolate this to biology, etc. I will check the bibliography to see if there is something related or write a mail to the autor, maybe in his research center there is someone working on bioacoustics.
 
 And dont feed the trolls. 
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						Was there escape from a nuthouse or something?
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