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Bad Mixes !

GuyShanti
Aerospace

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Posted : May 19, 2004 14:22
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On 2004-05-17 15:53, Acidhive wrote:
I think the style is what matters most here. Fullon just doesn't mix that well. Progressive on the other hand mixes relatively easy.




I completely dissagree man. full on is realy easy cuz its ususlly close range bpm (140-145), usually the bass lines are 16ths and the kick sounds prety much similar - hi top end punchy bass drums - so the mix from one track to the next is easy.
with proggressive music u have a much bigger diversity in the sounds of kicks (from punchy to soft to real) and basses (any thing imaginable), a much wider range of bpm (132-142) and a very big diversity in styles (from housy to technoish with everything in between) so the mix is much harder but make for a much more interesting flow.

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juggler
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : May 19, 2004 15:51
You are right, progressive music is much more difficult to mix then fullon music, undoubtely
GuyShanti
Aerospace

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Posted : May 19, 2004 19:57
not hard - diffrent. and much more interesting to make longer mixes cus usually theres double space from break to break - the housier the longer builds -when in full on u usually get breaks every 16 bars.

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simius m


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Posted : May 19, 2004 22:54
Just heard Raja Ram and Riktam dj set 2 weeks ago and it was really bad, from the cd players Riktam moved to the computer, Bansi joined him and WOOOOOOW GMS AMAZING!!!!! live act. I´ve seen GMS like 7 times and this one was the best.
Worst dj set i´ve seen: Beat on fobia
Best dj set i´ve seen: With no doubt Dj Bog (Visual Paradox) he amazed me when one of his cd´s was scratched, began to jump and he beatmatched a track on it really amazing Dj Bog skills are great.
          2 MINUTE CLIMAX TRANCE!!!
guy cohen
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : May 19, 2004 22:57
*Just liitle corection...it is Dj BOG and not Bug
He is exelent DJ !
KRONOS


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Posted : May 25, 2004 22:12
I heard raja ram in the last saturday,and I heard a "silence" of 5 or more second betwen
the mix...he don't mix!he just stop the music and restart another...
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : May 26, 2004 04:41
Everything, with a lot of practice, can be done easily.. when i play, i have harder times keeping two techtrance tracks tightly beatmatched together, as apose to the more full-on style, that seems to stick like glue.. i've done 3 minute full-on mixes before, and they've sounded great, not making people scratch there ears, woundering if that was an offbeat or something. Its generally in how you EQ your two songs.. obviously, if you just throw in that second full-on track at full volume, one shot, a la skazi style, then you might think that there is no room to mix with full-on. With proper adjusting, you can make myth in to reality.. and you don't even need the BPM counters.. and thats another story.. lol..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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kaniz

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Posted : May 26, 2004 05:33
At the /least/ a DJ should be able to beatmatch two tracks from one to the other, even if they are just doing the first few beats of the intro/outtro to create a smooth transition, espcially with so many DJs using CDs now, this task can be pretty much automated. Synch CD1 to CD2, crossfade, and your set.

Mind you, DJs who ONLY do that will and should end up only being fillers till the good acts get on.

then, having a good track selection to build up/climax/bring down the crowd is probably what I'd consider the next thing I'd expect from a DJ. Being able to read the crowd and play them is important. Hearing a non-stop fullonset for 4 hours with no 'breaks' would drive me a bit batty, toss in a few mellow tracks, then build up to a real floor-burner for a few tracks, then bring it back down to give the poor dancers a rest.

after that, I guess what I'd expect from a 'really good DJ' is good mixing, not simply playing a song for its entire lenghtk, but cutting/mixing a number of songs to create an all around collage of music take X from this song Y from that song, mix it then cut out X and bring in Z etc.

While I havnt heard it much in psy-mixes (psy DJs tend to stick soley to psy), I like it when DJs throw in a number of different styles into a set that just seem to work despite being completly different, one of my favorite mixes has everything from retro to trance to diva-house in it - and typically, I HATE diva house, but its just mixed in so damn well with the other stuff it works.

But, why not mix in some prog with some fullon, with some oldschool goa, mixed in with an ambient track melting into a techy tune, does an entire set really need to be nothing but 140-150BPM fullon? where is the intrest and artistry in that.

But, if a DJ is simply playing one song, doing a hard-stop, then doing onto the next song...I think that would bug me, and I'd have a hard time getting into a flow .
guy cohen
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : May 27, 2004 02:00
Quote:

On 2004-05-26 05:33, kaniz wrote:

But, if a DJ is simply playing one song, doing a hard-stop, then doing onto the next song...I think that would bug me, and I'd have a hard time getting into a flow .




It is like a story - it impossible to get into the story and live it with bugs on the middle.
On the party, when u dance like there is no tomorow but in the end of track there is too much seconds of silence , u lose all the spirit and get it when the other track start...this what happen on whole the set of DJ that does noy play with "Beat-Mix" !
Coomzy
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 27, 2004 12:58
Put simply...if you are a dj, and you get paid, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to have a bad mix.

If you have a bad mix, and i mean a bad mix, when your beats clash and your highs are crashing into each other, then you should not be up there.

There is no excuse for a bad mix. If you did not know the track, why did you play it?

And there are too many of these djs who play psy-trance.

GuyShanti
Aerospace

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Posted : May 27, 2004 20:13
not knowing the track is no excuse for bad mixing - if it has beat so its beatmatchable. the best practice is mixing unknown trax.

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guy cohen
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : May 27, 2004 21:54
I agree with you man , like alwyas
Coomzy
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 28, 2004 23:16
Quote:

On 2004-05-27 20:13, GuyShanti wrote:
not knowing the track is no excuse for bad mixing - if it has beat so its beatmatchable. the best practice is mixing unknown trax.

G




I agree with you here Guy. Too many times i hear a dj complain that he does not know the track he is mixing into and so he does a bad mix.

If you can mix, you can mix out of any track. And i mean a solid beatmix.

Just many times i hear a dj say he did not know the track so he does a bad mix and its ok. I have much frustration when i hear this!
GuyShanti
Aerospace

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Posted : May 31, 2004 15:15
with the amount of music that is made and released these days, many times dj (and myself included) mix trax they are not fammilliar with completely, just knowing that this or the other track is good and works on the floor. thats ok as far as I'm concerned. but its no excuse for mixing it bad - its not like the track changes beat in the middle (very rare) or there's uneven breaks in it (only makes the mix more interesting)

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