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As an artist...

EYB
Noized

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 15:24
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On 2005-02-22 14:54, Kemic-al wrote:
and btw zaldonite is an oldusername that I don't use any more , kemic-al is a production name and aldo it seems that I am even showing my name which represents my label, ....where am I hiding at ?



No offense, but the point that u changed ur name to Kemic-Al instead of further using zaldonite and the point that u got another name for representing ur label shows directly that u use this forum mainly for promotion.

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Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 15:29
Yeah well is there something wrong with that EYB what else is it good for ?

to come and spend my life in here talking such bullshit like some !!

I have got a life I don't spend my life wondering on isra trance and come up with the most non sence topics just so show that I am part of the scene !
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 15:33
Cool down as said no offense. I don't judge it, coz i don't care about. Just facts            Signature
slyman604
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 15:36
to me things would be different if i could hear a clear distinction between artist who make pys for fun vs artist who make psytrance because its their "job".
however its almost the complete reverse of how things should be. I cant stand most the music that comes out from the "professionals". Its all boring and formula based. The interesting stuff has been by crazy fuckers making psy out of the joy of making psy. Shit, the best tracks ive heard in the past year have mostly been things i was tipped off from downloading something on the new tracks part of this forum(mubali and phi)
The music industry has also contributed to the delusion of the art maker. So many people who make art think just the fact that they make art means they DESERVE to gain the status of some huge rock star.Artist are almost always poor. Its always been that way,
art is nice but it doesnt actually feed anyone or make clothing for anyone like what a real "job" does in an abstract way. Digital music distribution(ie "stealing") just resets the true value of art in comparison to the inflated marketting scam of the music industry, art isnt worth that much monentary wise.
Artist who claim they want to make money so they can produce better art are frauds and probly self deluded. No one is being stopped from making an album that blows away are you shpongled because they have to work a day job. Maybe a day job would slow the process down a bit but nothing more.
Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 15:37

these are facts EYB !!!

I have got a life I don't spend my life wondering on isra trance and come up with the most non sence topics just so show that I am part of the scene !
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 16:12
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On 2005-02-22 15:37, Kemic-al wrote:

these are facts EYB !!!

I have got a life I don't spend my life wondering on isra trance and come up with the most non sence topics just so show that I am part of the scene !




Whats has these to do with the point u use three names on Isratrance?

And why are u so angry? Stay cool brother            Signature
Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 16:16

Baaaah off to the beach
Pointy


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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 16:39
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EYB: No offense, but the point that u changed ur name to Kemic-Al instead of further using zaldonite and the point that u got another name for representing ur label shows directly that u use this forum mainly for promotion.

Kemical:Yeah well is there something wrong with that EYB what else is it good for?



I guess there is no need to answer your question anymore Kemic-al, since you already stated yourself now that in your opinion this forum hasn't got another use than promotion. Quite sad.

I am wondering why you are writing in this thread then? To tell everybody that you are a real artist and people should pay you for your work?

It also looks like you are having some trouble with your multi personalities, considering that Zaldonite opened a topic called "who is Kemic-al". Don't you know who you are anymore?

I suggest you better get yourself a PR manager, you are not doing very well with your promotion, but rather make yourself look desperate.

Imo it would be much better if people earned their living outside of the trance scene.
To me the trance culture has always been something special, where other values than money are important and people create an alternative to the capatilistic society, where they unite through music and share what they've got to give.
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EYB
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Posted: Feb 22, 2005
I wish we had one

But now we only snow, all is white. Is nice to but after a while it is nerving coz it is so cold.

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hip
Shuma

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 18:36
now ontopic

Time is money.
If artist spends a year to make an album, and 10 more years to learn music (some spent way more), I think he should get paid for it.

Artists create music with much more love then lawyers do with their paperwork, yet lawyers should get paid big time, while artists shouldn't?
Doesn't make much sense to me.

And all these countless "should artist get paid" threads are just inapropriate here, since only 5% of the artist actually live from music. 95% have some "usual daytime jobs". In trance department that is, I'm not talking 'bout Britney here.
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 18:45
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On 2005-02-22 18:36, hip wrote:

Artists create music with much more love then lawyers do with their paperwork, yet lawyers should get paid big time, while artists shouldn't?
Doesn't make much sense to me.


That didn't make sense to me either.

Sure an artist generally put in more love in his work than a lawyer.
But you don't get paied in the current system for how much love you put in.
My impression is rather that you most of the time have to put aside what you love to make money.

But I agree it would be great if the whole economy was a love economy rather than market economy.
Let's pray for that to happen.           (``.(``.(``..`).`).`)
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Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 20:08
When I finish a track I put it aside for a short while to listen a little later. After I decide it is finished or 95% finished, I give copies of it to my label manager and maybe to 1 or 2 dj's that I know might play the tune and tell me their opinion on crowd response and their own feeling about the tune. Needless to say the ppl I give the tunes are personal friends apart of being total pro's in what they do.

The thought of putting my tunes on the net just like that, never crossed my mind.. The only way my tracks will get to the net is after they are released on Media. If it wont be released on Media, as far I am concerned I will make music to the drawer until the rest of my life.           http://perfectlystrange.com
DETOX
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 21:08
Now may i ask another thing because everyone seems to have an opinion about everything in our days.

Why do people like Cane or Pointy (nothing personal guys and sorry Cane for not seeing one of your previous responses towards me) answered in this thread that asks ARTISTS about their music?

I mean the guy that opened the thread was very clear about his question and also he was very clear and direct conserning the people he was asking.Why the heck did you answer if you are not an artist?

Please from now on i would like to see what ARTISTS think about this matters since its their question after all.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
shahar
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 21:08
Spindrift,
Thanx for that post- it was a joy to read. And no, you're not the only one who remember those days. I do, and so is the perfect stranger above me.

We do live in a very commercial age. In our world we are consumers first, according to the way of thinking that controls it. This is the perspective on life that most of humanity chose to live by. Like it or not, it's a fact. Any Hindu will tell you- this is kali yuga.

We are sociable beings, we leave in societies, we need them, we make them. And societies gotta have ways of arranging things, and our society chose this certain way.

Now we have few options:
1. leave society at all- very few indivuduals can actually do that.

2. create a brand new society- possible but not easy, no much place left around.

3. try changing the society we live in- my choice and I think the choice of most people that don't like the way the society they're living in runs things.
Now to change a society from whithin you gotta live in it. It means that to a certain extent you gotta work by its ways of working. Shame a lot of the people deciding to do it forget that part of changing after a while, but that is how it works.

So, artists, which in our perfect society could make their art for the good of all, put all their love in it, and can live from that. How? Maybe we can work some system. But it wouldn't be easy.

But wait, we can work a system like that here as well- you like this artists's art? Help him make more. Buy it. So simple. Now if you can't, then don't, but always remember- this artist would not be able to make more of what you like. So when you can- buy!

This is not a new system- artist has always had patrons enabling them to create their art- once it has been mainly kings a princes, now we alll have a chance to do that.

And about the parties and goa psytrance turning commercial- well, let me reveal an old truth- the bums always lose!

So yes, we lost. Commercialism has taken over the thing that we created that was the complete opposite. But not over all of it. There are still great parties and great music being made not for money. What do you all think this website is all about? Why do we run for so long? It only costs us money (and a lot of headaches...). Why are we such an asses by trying so hard on keeping those guidelines above in pink (yes you can read them now again- open in a new window, and yes you can all try to help us).

Because we found something beautiful in life and trying to spread it to all.

So we don't really have to lose, look in my signature below- we make our change, and it doesn't matter how small it is- all society is changing with it.

fooo... I haven't written so much in the forum for months. This is a nice thread. And guys stop the stupid fighting about names and promotion.

Now about labels being stillers. I own a label, now my artists can testify I do everything I can to get them money. Because I'm on their side- I have a musical vision- I hear music that falls into that vision- and I do my best to spread it to most people possible and make sure that my artists can make more to support that vision. I'm also a patron of art, and all I do is try to make sure I can go on being one, meaning earning some money for it- not so I have movey- so I can live in our world- that's all I want.

I think this is a good thing.



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shahar
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 21:10
And Detox, you're definitely not invisible. Believe me
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