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ARTISTS, i want to ask you something !!!

Subtle Distortion


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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 19:08
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On 2004-08-11 19:11, Mari.Morgan wrote:
you should learn about music a bit, this is fucking stupid to say something like "ALL MUSIC HAS FORMULAS!"

music is notes and cords, minor major...etc
go learn something about it, you will find music has eternal paths. alike painting!





You just contradicted yourself. Majors and Minors are an example of formulas in music and you just said that I was stupid for saying that music has formulas. Major chords are one of the many "forms" that composers use to create a melody structure. See music is really just math that is being manipulated (buts it’s more then that too). The formulas are always there (unless its just sound design) however the variables are what is always changing. There are formulas in the melody structure such as majors, minors, diatonics, chromatics, Dorian, Locrian ect. These are all different types of scales/chords that have been discovered and used for centuries. There are also rhythmic formulas as well. ESPECIALLY in trance music. The formulas of phrasing are very consistent in trance. It’s literally a protocol in this style of music where as classical its not. Pop music uses the verse-chorus-verse formula but they're all simple formulas on a basic level.

Then there are sound design formulas or really i could use the word technique. A formula is like a technique, it’s a tried and true method of creating something. The artists just decide what variables in the formula to manipulate.

When it comes to just making a sound, you don’t have to follow a classical musical formula because the technology is newer however even then you are still manipulating parameters aka variables within a formula thus giving you a desired result.

ie:
attack = 0 + decay = 8 + waveform = saw
cutoff = 25 + resonance = 6 + delay = 1/3 time sync + 30% feedback = a cool ass lead sound.....(hypothetically of course)

or in a melody an F/e# major scale has the notes F,G,A,A#,C,D,E,F in it. The notes in the scale are the variables in the formula that can be manipulated differently artist to artist, track to track however by using these notes you're still using a F major scale thus still using the formula.

you get the picture.....hopefully.

I’ve been writing music for 11 years and you tend to pick up a thing or 2 after that. There are formulas in painting too and in every kind of art. Techniques and formulas are the basic structure that all art rests on however the infinite possibilities of variable manipulation is where we get innovation or when a new formula is created. Then the cycle begins again.

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Psilocibino
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 20:03
this is all very interesting, some good information!!!
but i don't get it...what does this have to do with beeing CREATIVE???
Hodi
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 21:17
u can be good at math only if you have creative thinking, same about music.           u can find "Anything U Want" using the search...
..::Dimitri_psy_Trance::..


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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 22:25
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On 2004-08-11 19:11, Mari.Morgan wrote:
you should learn about music a bit, this is fucking stupid to say something like "ALL MUSIC HAS FORMULAS!"

music is notes and cords, minor major...etc
go learn something about it, you will find music has eternal paths. alike painting!




so damn right

this thread may do good things for artists who to read this!!!           ...::Psychedelic Goa Trance Culture::...
People can fly?
Is it only a dream?
Trip-
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 00:13
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On 2004-08-12 22:25, ..::Dimitri_psy_Trance::.. wrote:
this thread may do good things for artists who to read this!!!



I doubt it.           Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA
Pointy


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Posted : Aug 13, 2004 16:45
If the artist now tries to sound like somebody else, or tries to not sound like somebody else, it is both very much in the mind, the right side of the brain.

Creativity is located in the left side of the brain and is connected to feelings.
I agree with 'Spindrift', when he says that the most important thing is, that the artist has "fun and goes with the flow".

Knowledge about melodies, harmonics, rythms and practise with the instrument (in trance the computer), make it more likely, that the 'soundproduct' will be a good one.
Just like a trained chef(cook), or somebody who has been practising lot's of cooking, is more likely to prepare you a nice meal, than somebody who is used to heat up readymade food in the microwave.

Knowledge helps the creative process, as long as you are not actually thinking about it, whilst you are making the music.

So I guess artist just have to learn, like everybody else too, to control their minds and listen more to their feelings.
Ulf:G
Weirdo Beardo

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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 18:20
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On 2004-07-31 11:19, Mari.Morgan wrote:
Are u a real artist or want to be ?

If you are an artist, then why don't you use imagination to make some art of your own style !

Stop copy other full on big names, it getting old and boring and even cheap !

Do you use your imagination at all, or just listening to other artists ?

???




Talent doesn't count any more. Get yourself a computer with some cracked musicalsoftware and start trading samples with other "artists", then you can call yourself an "artist" these days.

Not many "artists" have more musical experience than a few hours of work in Cubase or Logic. Not many "artists" can play any instruments these days. And we choose to call this music?

I think loads of so called "artists" need to let go of their com-fuckin-puter, and try out some other instruments as well (its a very rewarding experience to learn the guitar by the way).

Well, this is just my point of view. You can say what you will about it, or censor this post if you will, I don't care. Just felt good to print out whats on my mind for a while. (I know theres a certain limitation of "freedom of speech" in this forum )
nova
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 18:34
i think you are more then right Ulf:G
          just flow baby... just flow...
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 18:50
me 2           http://perfectlystrange.com
Ulf:G
Weirdo Beardo

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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 18:53
Fu Hsi:
I think one of the pic's in your other post do say this very clear.

http://hodi.netfirms.com/funtrance/djfunny7.jpg

"We don't need to do anything, the computer will do it for us."

...kind of.
Psilocibino
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 21:46
that's so damm right Ulf:G
Shut down your computers...IT'S SCHOOL TIME!!!


that'a why so many producers nowadays (and i'm not talkin only about psy-trance) prefer to work with real musicians then with softwear samples!! It just souds more realistic and gives an artist more ways to explore his own sonoraty!!
Pointy


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Posted : Aug 14, 2004 22:54
I don't think that you nescessary need to be able to play "other instruments" to produce trance music.
The computer and plugins are the instrument.

I agree, as I said earlier, that it helps to have musical knowledge to make good trance music.

That 'everybody' who makes some sounds on his computer calls himself an "artist" this days is not really a problem, is it?

Just let people play, experience and practise and if a good track comes out be happy.
Ulf:G
Weirdo Beardo

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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 00:03
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I don't think that you nescessary need to be able to play "other instruments" to produce trance music.
The computer and plugins are the instrument.



Well, no.. but playing other instruments gives you inspiration and the musical experience that's needed.

And I can't really see the computer as an instrument, more of a "tool". To much automation if you ask me. Besides, an instrument is usually handmade art (like the Les Paul I got in my knee right now ) in which someone put their soul in. You will notice this if you play it, and compare it to some machine-made crap-instrument made in korea. A computer is a pile of silicon-based circuits with loads of compiled software, that will look exactly the same on your neighbours computer (as I doubt that there are two identically made Les Paul guitars)

For sure, this technological development makes it easier for a lot of people to start producing, but YOU SHOULDN'T START RUNNING UNTIL YOU LEARED HOW TO WALK!!

At least practice playing keyboard once in a while, it will really help you.

Quote:

That 'everybody' who makes some sounds on his computer calls himself an "artist" this days is not really a problem, is it?



The big problem is the large amount of crap being released, so that talented artists drown in this sea of bullshit. New, upcoming artists with a lot of talent are the poor ones who usually takes the big "punch-in-the-stomach" here, as it is almost impossible for them to make themselves heard.

Again, this is just one mans oppinion.
If you can't stand it, then don't read it.
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 00:06
Ulf u r the man

I couldnt agree more

Never the less I believe u r fighting with windmills here, but good luck I am on your side           http://perfectlystrange.com
Ulf:G
Weirdo Beardo

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Posted : Aug 15, 2004 00:10
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Never the less I believe u r fighting with windmills here, but good luck I am on your side



Hehehe.. you mean like Don Qiuote?
Well, nice to see atleast some people with similar ideas. (We who believe in quality before quantity.)

Cheers mate.
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